IT BEGINS: Schumer Declares Democrats Will ‘Change America’ If They ‘Take Georgia’ Senate Seats

Point taken. We agree, Don39. We are free to choose. And I am still learning.

I agree with you Don39 except the god part, as an Atheist I love my liberty and the constitution,
I respect you and your freedom of religion just remember there are many non-believers who
also choose constitutional rights, we call them our natural rights, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as with most Americans we just want to be left alone!
Live long and prosper Don39!

With respect to you Fred please remember your foundational –

“God given unalienable Rights”
– didn’t come from the religion of Atheism – which requires far more Faith to realistically accept.
You know the foundational theory Rock= dirt to goo to you~ miracle

Christ is still only a sincere prayer away just like “the one” of two thieves on the cross…!
From Love it should be said…!

One can hide from it Fred tho a serious student of the Declaration knows “the Laws of Nature and Natures GOD” is not Atheist yet careful in not alluding to any particular manmade denomination that could try to use it later going forward.
Christianity however was a given in all venues of OUR society that produced OUR systems and in the Light of them as the core of the culturally created society.
It’s hard to have and eat ones cake too as to the preponderance of historical facts in true fullness.
Just sayin’…..

The capital ” C ” in
“Creator” is not a figment of an “imagined existence” nor is the last paragraph – in “appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world” – or – “with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence” – pointing to the “Great Accidental Nobody” which no one then considered was the case.
A “Steadystate Universe” is not the known case now for over a 100yrs.

Sure your free to be an Atheist yet cannot deny what I’m here in only a small part pointing to in my words which are not a copied pasted text other then parts of the DECLARATION itself +1783 Peace Agreement at the end.

THE DECLARATION
(1st paragraph)
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which *the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them*, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that *all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator* with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

*So that there’s not a pointing to any one Denomination then for when they wrote it in 1776 for the British State Church the was in full control as the British Anglican Church who silenced all others at will…as did the Roman Catholic geo-political cult predecessor had til set free in Luther’s Reformation spinning off the Pilgrims + Puritans who came here to escape to freedom ‘of ‘ worship and from the tyranny of a State Church and persecution

Founder/Framer’s then and WE now understand man’s involvement with any organization can and likely will mess it up somewhere along the line seen clearly in all aspects of U.S. government today. Fred its the core Principles based on Christ Words that grounded the hearts of the people to accept the pillars of the very Framed documents which were written for them “as only will work for a moral and religious people and for no othen”….in their own words.

This was to keep any future connection to manmade controlling by any denominational interpretations later a certainty to avoid from happening = same for a “no religious” test to be fair have NO semblance of a State endorsed church choice nor a church run State – tho it was so prior which WE needed to avoid going forward.

Christian church services were held of the various denominations in the capitol bldg for over 100yrs.

So no stating of any denominational clue kept it fair and open by plurality also to “nonbelievers” (who if any were not respected nor elected) tho make no mistake about it Fred *the core of American life principles was set on Faith in God and the Scriptures – which have unflappable science and prophecies thru-out if you only knew it to gain respectful insight.

You’re fully aware of the Founders Faith along with it was a preacher and his congregation that “fired the shot heard round the world” not “athiests” and it was the Faith of the “Black Robed Regiments” that pulled us thru the “War for Independence” who’s effect was so strong the British put a high priced bounty on these preachers heads. This was personally often spoken of by George Washington who personally thanked these preachers that stood in the gap.
Is one reason why WE have Chaplain’s in the military and in Congress.
Pretending it away or trying to change it is not an honest assessing look history’s full record even if one is an Atheist = for that is a choice.

It’s Moses that sits above scotus as the law giver as well as Scriptures carved in stone in various parts DC that I or anyone looking has seen tho Atheist Marxist BLM/ANTIFA are in the process of defacing and destroying Faith based history as do the Muslims if it doesn’t conform to their beliefs or goals.
Alex de Toqueville clearly stated it was the Spiritually onfire Christian Churches in everytown(many denominations) that “was what made America great” + ‘America shall cease to be great if it loses that Faith’ = not a great Atheist belief in “rock to goo to you” mentality” (accidental ORIGINS) thats still known today scientifically as an impossible statistical probability…perfect atomic structure of the material plain nor DNA created themselved….as 500million process’s are occurring in you as you read this.

You know all this but no one can nor should force anyone to a Faith in God….
Fred one cannot deny and hide from these historical facts.
“The First Great Awakening” of 1740 thru the century was at OUR foundation of Americanism’s direct emergence thru + from what was the biggest Christian revival in the world since this nation was spun directly off the Reformation by the Pilgrim/Puritan founders seeking religious “freedoms under Liberty”.

The Scriptures were the first accepted school books and – EVERY – public meetings was opened and closed with Christ centered prayer which you also know as was Congress this very day.
I’m of course pointing to Faith and its ceetain direct effect yet not saying you have go believe…

HOWEVER one cannot escape with pretending this all away by various Atheist quotes for the historical facts in the balance are legion to where Atheism cannot get its effect on this nation off the ground except to see its very harmful.effects all around us now.
ALL Founding peoples and Framers stated with out the moral effect of the Christian religion OUR Constitution “will not work”.

You may not like it but that is the way it was and is still there after 245yrs at OUR core values tho not a theocracy then nor now.

Last paragraph of –
THE DECLARATION
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled,
*appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world* for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, *with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, * we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The Definitive Treaty of Peace 1783

In the Name of the most Holy & undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the Hearts of the most Serene and most Potent Prince George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith,

Done at Paris, this third day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three.

D HARTLEY (SEAL)
JOHN ADAMS (SEAL)
B FRANKLIN (SEAL)
JOHN JAY (SEAL

So Fred I could point to the volumes of books easily looked up in their own words as to Faith of the American ideals and also write one myself but you do get the point or can ignore and hide from it.
Again this means no disrespect tho none shall be accepted as to the veracity of the non denominational Christian Faith at the core Principles of OUR Founding values and English forebearers whom came here to have religious freedom but also to escape religious persecution from religious tyrants and tyranny.

This is the crucible of OUR true foundation that cannot be denied yet allows for freedom of the individual which is God’s own actual MO as seen in Christ Jesus who was God in the flesh.

Realize Fred believers also don’t want to be condemned nor ridiculed for what WE know, believe and have experienced yet it is the 90% of the “Atheist’s community” in the U.S. that does mock + condemn us not caring about the past truths you see- as they want to “change” everything from OUR founding into a Marxist socialist culture and society- no longer hiding it.
This forces us to stand up for Foundational truths or be stomped and buried alive as they are and will continue to march over the top of us to become what without truth…?

Hey Fred you don’t seriously think a few Athiest book pics childish cartoons covers OUR Founding reality do you…lol…?
Here’s some truth to chew on and get you off your high merry-go round horse…I can put up 100’s.of pages like this not twist reality.
If you can’t back it up one shouldn’t pretend they can and brag on it for it is those tearing America apart that are your fellow Atheist magic believing fairytaler’s the Dems and UN/BLM/ANTIFA/MS13/ Socialist Commie Marxist behind it all.
Hence bragging about lining up with them in places where Faith is a real.part of peoples lives makes it a problem.
You do read to learn truth so here’s some historical relevance. Don’t …….. down OUR backs and say its ralning when you have no case.
Just sayin’…

“The Founding Fathers & Deism”

I notice that your newspaper has an ongoing debate concerning the religious
nature of the Founding Fathers. A recent letter claimed that most of the Founding
Fathers were deists, and pointed to Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine,
Hamilton, and Madison as proof. After making this charge, the writer acknowledged
the “voluminous writings”” of the Founders, but it appears that she
has not read those writings herself. However, this is no surprise since the
U. S. Department of Education claims that only 5 percent of high schools graduates
know how to examine primary source documentation.

Interestingly, the claims in this recent letter to the editor are characteristic
of similar claims appearing in hundreds of letters to the editor across the
nation. The standard assertion is that the Founders were deists. Deists? What
is a deist? In dictionaries like Websters, Funk & Wagnalls, Century, and others,
the terms “deist,” “agnostic,” and “atheist” appear
as synonyms. Therefore, the range of a deist spans from those who believe there
is no God, to those who believe in a distant, impersonal creator of the universe,
to those who believe there is no way to know if God exists. Do the Founders
fit any of these definitions?

None of the notable Founders fit this description. Thomas Paine, in his discourse
on “The Study of God,” forcefully asserts that it is “the error
of schools” to teach sciences without “reference to the Being who
is author of them: for all the principles of science are of Divine origin.”
He laments that “the evil that has resulted from the error of the schools
in teaching [science without God] has been that of generating in the pupils
a species of atheism.” Paine not only believed in God, he believed in a
reality beyond the visible world.

In Benjamin Franklin’s 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania,
he insisted that schools teach “the necessity of a public religion . .
. and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or
modern.” Consider also the fact that Franklin proposed a Biblical inscription
for the Seal of the United States; that he chose a New Testament verse for the
motto of the Philadelphia Hospital; that he was one of the chief voices behind
the establishment of a paid chaplain in Congress; and that when in 1787 when
Franklin helped found the college which bore his name, it was dedicated as “a
nursery of religion and learning” built “on Christ, the Corner-Stone.”
Franklin certainly doesn’t fit the definition of a deist.

Nor does George Washington. He was an open promoter of Christianity. For example,
in his speech on May 12, 1779, he claimed that what children needed to learn
“above all” was the “religion of Jesus Christ,” and that
to learn this would make them “greater and happier than they already are”;
on May 2, 1778, he charged his soldiers at Valley Forge that “To the distinguished
character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished
character of Christian”; and when he resigned his commission as commander-in-chief
of the military on June 8, 1783, he reminded the nation that “without a
humble imitation” of “the Divine Author of our blessed religion”
we “can never hope to be a happy nation.” Washington’s own adopted
daughter declared of Washington that you might as well question his patriotism
as to question his Christianity.

Alexander Hamilton was certainly no deist. For example, Hamilton began work
with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help
spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:
(1) Christianity, and (2) a Constitution formed under Christianity. Only Hamilton’s
death two months later thwarted his plan of starting a missionary society to
promote Christian government. And at the time he did face his death in his duel
with Aaron Burr, Hamilton met and prayed with the Rev. Mason and Bishop Moore,
wherein he reaffirmed to him his readiness to face God should he die, having
declared to them “a lively faith in God’s mercy through Christ, with a
thankful remembrance of the death of Christ.” At that time, he also partook
of Holy Communion with Bishop Moore.

The reader, as do many others, claimed that Jefferson omitted all miraculous
events of Jesus from his “Bible.” Rarely do those who make this claim let
Jefferson speak for himself. Jefferson’s own words explain that his intent for
that book was not for it to be a “Bible,” but rather for it to be
a primer for the Indians on the teachings of Christ (which is why Jefferson
titled that work, “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth”). What
Jefferson did was to take the “red letter” portions of the New Testament
and publish these teachings in order to introduce the Indians to Christian morality.
And as President of the United States, Jefferson signed a treaty with the Kaskaskia
tribe wherein he provided—at the government’s expense—Christian missionaries
to the Indians. In fact, Jefferson himself declared, “I am a real Christian,
that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” While many might
question this claim, the fact remains that Jefferson called himself a Christian,
not a deist.

James Madison trained for ministry with the Rev. Dr. John Witherspoon, and
Madison’s writings are replete with declarations of his faith in God and in
Christ. In fact, for proof of this, one only need read his letter to Attorney
General Bradford wherein Madison laments that public officials are not bold
enough about their Christian faith in public and that public officials should
be “fervent advocates in the cause of Christ.” And while Madison did
allude to a “wall of separation,” contemporary writers frequently
refuse to allow Madison to provide his own definition of that “wall.”
According to Madison, the purpose of that “wall” was only to prevent
Congress from passing a national law to establish a national religion.

None of the Founders mentioned fit the definition of a deist. And as is
typical with those who make this claim, they name only a handful of Founders
and then generalize the rest. This in itself is a mistake, for there are over
two hundred Founders (fifty-five at the Constitutional Convention, ninety who
framed the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights, and fifty-six who signed the
Declaration) and any generalization of the Founders as deists is completely
inaccurate.

The reason that such critics never mention any other Founders is evident.
For example, consider what must be explained away if the following signers of
the Constitution were to be mentioned: Charles Pinckney and John
Langdon—founders of the American Bible Society; James McHenry—founder of the
Baltimore Bible Society; Rufus King—helped found a Bible society for Anglicans;
Abraham Baldwin—a chaplain in the Revolution and considered the youngest
theologian in America; Roger Sherman, William Samuel Johnson, John Dickinson,
and Jacob Broom—also theological writers; James Wilson and William
Patterson—placed on the Supreme Court by President George Washington, they had
prayer over juries in the U. S. Supreme Court room; and the list could go on.
And this does not even include the huge number of thoroughly evangelical
Christians who signed the Declaration or who helped frame the Bill of Rights.

Any portrayal of any handful of Founders as deists is inaccurate. (If this
group had really wanted some irreligious Founders, they should have chosen
Henry Dearborne, Charles Lee, or Ethan Allen). Perhaps critics should spend
more time reading the writings of the Founders to discover their religious
beliefs for themselves rather than making such sweeping accusations which are
so easily disproven.

(For more on this topic see: Thomas
Paine Criticizes the Current Public School Science Curriculum, Franklin’s
Appeal for Prayer at the Constitutional Convention, Was
George Washington a Christian?, The
Founders and Public Religious Expression, & James
Madison and Religion in Public)

“The Founding Fathers & Deism”

I notice that your newspaper has an ongoing debate concerning the religious
nature of the Founding Fathers. A recent letter claimed that most of the Founding
Fathers were deists, and pointed to Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine,
Hamilton, and Madison as proof. After making this charge, the writer acknowledged
the “voluminous writings”” of the Founders, but it appears that she
has not read those writings herself. However, this is no surprise since the
U. S. Department of Education claims that only 5 percent of high schools graduates
know how to examine primary source documentation.

Interestingly, the claims in this recent letter to the editor are characteristic
of similar claims appearing in hundreds of letters to the editor across the
nation. The standard assertion is that the Founders were deists. Deists? What
is a deist? In dictionaries like Websters, Funk & Wagnalls, Century, and others,
the terms “deist,” “agnostic,” and “atheist” appear
as synonyms. Therefore, the range of a deist spans from those who believe there
is no God, to those who believe in a distant, impersonal creator of the universe,
to those who believe there is no way to know if God exists. Do the Founders
fit any of these definitions?

None of the notable Founders fit this description. Thomas Paine, in his discourse
on “The Study of God,” forcefully asserts that it is “the error
of schools” to teach sciences without “reference to the Being who
is author of them: for all the principles of science are of Divine origin.”
He laments that “the evil that has resulted from the error of the schools
in teaching [science without God] has been that of generating in the pupils
a species of atheism.” Paine not only believed in God, he believed in a
reality beyond the visible world.

In Benjamin Franklin’s 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania,
he insisted that schools teach “the necessity of a public religion . .
. and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or
modern.” Consider also the fact that Franklin proposed a Biblical inscription
for the Seal of the United States; that he chose a New Testament verse for the
motto of the Philadelphia Hospital; that he was one of the chief voices behind
the establishment of a paid chaplain in Congress; and that when in 1787 when
Franklin helped found the college which bore his name, it was dedicated as “a
nursery of religion and learning” built “on Christ, the Corner-Stone.”
Franklin certainly doesn’t fit the definition of a deist.

Nor does George Washington. He was an open promoter of Christianity. For example,
in his speech on May 12, 1779, he claimed that what children needed to learn
“above all” was the “religion of Jesus Christ,” and that
to learn this would make them “greater and happier than they already are”;
on May 2, 1778, he charged his soldiers at Valley Forge that “To the distinguished
character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished
character of Christian”; and when he resigned his commission as commander-in-chief
of the military on June 8, 1783, he reminded the nation that “without a
humble imitation” of “the Divine Author of our blessed religion”
we “can never hope to be a happy nation.” Washington’s own adopted
daughter declared of Washington that you might as well question his patriotism
as to question his Christianity.

Alexander Hamilton was certainly no deist. For example, Hamilton began work
with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help
spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:
(1) Christianity, and (2) a Constitution formed under Christianity. Only Hamilton’s
death two months later thwarted his plan of starting a missionary society to
promote Christian government. And at the time he did face his death in his duel
with Aaron Burr, Hamilton met and prayed with the Rev. Mason and Bishop Moore,
wherein he reaffirmed to him his readiness to face God should he die, having
declared to them “a lively faith in God’s mercy through Christ, with a
thankful remembrance of the death of Christ.” At that time, he also partook
of Holy Communion with Bishop Moore.

The reader, as do many others, claimed that Jefferson omitted all miraculous
events of Jesus from his “Bible.” Rarely do those who make this claim let
Jefferson speak for himself. Jefferson’s own words explain that his intent for
that book was not for it to be a “Bible,” but rather for it to be
a primer for the Indians on the teachings of Christ (which is why Jefferson
titled that work, “The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth”). What
Jefferson did was to take the “red letter” portions of the New Testament
and publish these teachings in order to introduce the Indians to Christian morality.
And as President of the United States, Jefferson signed a treaty with the Kaskaskia
tribe wherein he provided—at the government’s expense—Christian missionaries
to the Indians. In fact, Jefferson himself declared, “I am a real Christian,
that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.” While many might
question this claim, the fact remains that Jefferson called himself a Christian,
not a deist.

James Madison trained for ministry with the Rev. Dr. John Witherspoon, and
Madison’s writings are replete with declarations of his faith in God and in
Christ. In fact, for proof of this, one only need read his letter to Attorney
General Bradford wherein Madison laments that public officials are not bold
enough about their Christian faith in public and that public officials should
be “fervent advocates in the cause of Christ.” And while Madison did
allude to a “wall of separation,” contemporary writers frequently
refuse to allow Madison to provide his own definition of that “wall.”
According to Madison, the purpose of that “wall” was only to prevent
Congress from passing a national law to establish a national religion.

None of the Founders mentioned fit the definition of a deist. And as is
typical with those who make this claim, they name only a handful of Founders
and then generalize the rest. This in itself is a mistake, for there are over
two hundred Founders (fifty-five at the Constitutional Convention, ninety who
framed the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights, and fifty-six who signed the
Declaration) and any generalization of the Founders as deists is completely
inaccurate.

The reason that such critics never mention any other Founders is evident.
For example, consider what must be explained away if the following signers of
the Constitution were to be mentioned: Charles Pinckney and John
Langdon—founders of the American Bible Society; James McHenry—founder of the
Baltimore Bible Society; Rufus King—helped found a Bible society for Anglicans;
Abraham Baldwin—a chaplain in the Revolution and considered the youngest
theologian in America; Roger Sherman, William Samuel Johnson, John Dickinson,
and Jacob Broom—also theological writers; James Wilson and William
Patterson—placed on the Supreme Court by President George Washington, they had
prayer over juries in the U. S. Supreme Court room; and the list could go on.
And this does not even include the huge number of thoroughly evangelical
Christians who signed the Declaration or who helped frame the Bill of Rights.

Any portrayal of any handful of Founders as deists is inaccurate. (If this
group had really wanted some irreligious Founders, they should have chosen
Henry Dearborne, Charles Lee, or Ethan Allen). Perhaps critics should spend
more time reading the writings of the Founders to discover their religious
beliefs for themselves rather than making such sweeping accusations which are
so easily disproven.

(For more on this topic see: Thomas
Paine Criticizes the Current Public School Science Curriculum, Franklin’s
Appeal for Prayer at the Constitutional Convention, Was
George Washington a Christian?, The
Founders and Public Religious Expression, & James
Madison and Religion in Public)