SAVAGES: Democrats Block A Vote To Support Iran Protesters Dying For Freedom

127

Naked proof of what I have spoken of for years: the Democrats are the party of terror and jihad.

Democrats Block A Vote To Support Iran Protesters

By: Henry Rodgers, Daily Caller, January 14, 2020 5:05 PM ET

Story continues below advertisement

Democrats in the House of Representatives blocked a vote Tuesday to support the protesters in Iran who are demonstrating against the regime.

Consideration and a vote on House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s resolution was blocked because Democrats advanced the previous question, by a vote of 226-191. The resolution would have condemned the Government of Iran for killing 1,500 Iranian citizens who were protesting their government, as well as condemned the Government of Iran for shooting down Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, killing 176 people.

In addition, the resolution; “(3) condemns the Government of Iran for repeatedly lying to its people and to the world about its responsibility for the downing of Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752; (4) calls on the Government of Iran to— (A) refrain from the use of violence; and (B) protect the rights of freedom of expression and peaceful assembly; and (5) supports the protestors in Iran, their demands for accountability, and their desire for the Government of Iran to respect freedom and human rights.”

“What a disappointment —Democrats just blocked a vote on a resolution supporting the Iranian protestors. This is not the time for partisan politics. This should be a time for the US Congress to speak with one voice to condemn an Iranian regime that kills its own people,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said in a tweet.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) answers questions during a press conference at the U.S. Capitol on January 09, 2020 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images)

McCarthy announced Monday he will introduce the resolution in support of the protesters in Iran. The House Minority Leader made the announcement on Twitter as Iranian security forces reportedly fired tear gas and live ammunition on protesters in the streets Sunday. The California Republican said “The world is watching,” and that “the people of Iran need to know that they are not alone in this pivotal moment.” (RELATED: Kevin McCarthy Will Introduce Resolution In Support Of Iranian Protestors)

The resolution comes as Trump tweeted his support for anti-government Iranian protesters on Saturday night, saying, “I’ve stood with you since the beginning of my Presidency, and

The Truth Must be Told

Your contribution supports independent journalism

Please take a moment to consider this. Now, more than ever, people are reading Geller Report for news they won't get anywhere else. But advertising revenues have all but disappeared. Google Adsense is the online advertising monopoly and they have banned us. Social media giants like Facebook and Twitter have blocked and shadow-banned our accounts. But we won't put up a paywall. Because never has the free world needed independent journalism more.

Everyone who reads our reporting knows the Geller Report covers the news the media won't. We cannot do our ground-breaking report without your support. We must continue to report on the global jihad and the left's war on freedom. Our readers’ contributions make that possible.

Geller Report's independent, investigative journalism takes a lot of time, money and hard work to produce. But we do it because we believe our work is critical in the fight for freedom and because it is your fight, too.

Please contribute here.

or

Make a monthly commitment to support The Geller Report – choose the option that suits you best.

Quick note: We cannot do this without your support. Fact. Our work is made possible by you and only you. We receive no grants, government handouts, or major funding. Tech giants are shutting us down. You know this. Twitter, LinkedIn, Google Adsense, Pinterest permanently banned us. Facebook, Google search et al have shadow-banned, suspended and deleted us from your news feeds. They are disappearing us. But we are here.

Subscribe to Geller Report newsletter here— it’s free and it’s essential NOW when informed decision making and opinion is essential to America's survival. Share our posts on your social channels and with your email contacts. Fight the great fight.

Follow Pamela Geller on Gettr. I am there. click here.

Follow Pamela Geller on
Trump's social media platform, Truth Social. It's open and free.

Remember, YOU make the work possible. If you can, please contribute to Geller Report.

Join The Conversation. Leave a Comment.

We have no tolerance for comments containing violence, racism, profanity, vulgarity, doxing, or discourteous behavior. If a comment is spammy or unhelpful, click the - symbol under the comment to let us know. Thank you for partnering with us to maintain fruitful conversation.

If you would like to join the conversation, but don't have an account, you can sign up for one right here.

If you are having problems leaving a comment, it's likely because you are using an ad blocker, something that break ads, of course, but also breaks the comments section of our site. If you are using an ad blocker, and would like to share your thoughts, please disable your ad blocker. We look forward to seeing your comments below.

0 0 votes
Article Rating
127 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

Demoncrappers have become the party of totalian thugs.
They hate freedom and capitalism. They love, communism, oppression, illegals, criminals, Muslims and Muslim terrorism. Demoncrats HATE our country and all it stands for. Trump represents YOU and is the main target of their HATE.

comment image

ed
ed
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

You are on a ROLL tonight, sir !!!!!!!

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago
Reply to  ed

I would sorely miss freedom of speeh if totally censored.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Blocking IS censorship. Funny that!

Kuffar
Kuffar
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

No changes from then

VTS
VTS
4 years ago
Reply to  Kuffar

Today they are Iranian mullah asstes.

One of Billions
One of Billions
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

They are at least being honest as to who they really are, as despicable as it is. This is good for people to see. Many RINO’s on the other hand, continue to live in their web of deceit, saying they are freedom loving Americans, while undermining our Republic by their actions. Trump has been more consistently honest than most Republicans and I love him for that. However, he, too is deceived regarding the unborn along with nearly all pro-life Republicans in Congress who have approved of 1st and 2nd trimester abortion just to ban 3rd trimester. Only the abolition of all abortion and stopping the taxpayer funding of this atrocity is acceptable.

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

comment image

Mr. Mojo Risin'
Mr. Mojo Risin'
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Baby lives matter to Republicans unless they’re brown and happen to be born in the Middle East.

yiyoya
yiyoya
4 years ago

“A proper war in self-defense is one fought without self-crippling restrictions placed on our commanders in the field. It must be fought with the most effective weapons we possess…. And it must be fought in a manner that secures victory as quickly as possible and with the fewest U.S. casualties, regardless of the countless innocents caught in the line of fire. These innocents suffer and die because of the action of their own government in sponsoring the initiation of force against America. Their fate, therefore, is their government’s moral responsibility. There is no way for our bullets to be aimed only at evil men….The choice today is mass death in the United States or mass death in the terrorist nations. Our Commander-In-Chief must decide whether it is his duty to save Americans or the governments who conspire to kill them.” – Leonard Peikoff, “End States Who Sponsor Terrorism”…America First!

yiyoya
yiyoya
4 years ago

“A proper war in self-defense is one fought without self-crippling restrictions placed on our commanders in the field. It must be fought with the most effective weapons we possess…. And it must be fought in a manner that secures victory as quickly as possible and with the fewest U.S. casualties, regardless of the countless innocents caught in the line of fire. These innocents suffer and die because of the action of their own government in sponsoring the initiation of force against America. Their fate, therefore, is their government’s moral responsibility. There is no way for our bullets to be aimed only at evil men….The choice today is mass death in the United States or mass death in the terrorist nations. Our Commander-In-Chief must decide whether it is his duty to save Americans or the governments who conspire to kill them.” – Leonard Peikoff, “End States Who Sponsor Terrorism”…America First!

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

Africa seems to have a severe lack of diversity of white people. Why is that?

The_Devilbat
The_Devilbat
4 years ago

IDIOT. Most abortion clinics in the US are in black neighborhoods. Black babies matter !!!

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Not really disagreeing with your post , just presenting a different slant.
The soul moves in at conception and resides in and shares the body of the mother until the end of the first trimester when it then moves into the foetus. You can actually see this if you have the capacity as the aura of the mother is noticeably larger and more obvious over that period. The soul is akin to software and cannot function as an individual unit until it has sufficient hardware(a functional human foetus). The fact that two souls coexist within the same body for some 12 weeks is what makes women unique in that it is an experience that no male can have. In vitro embryos are interesting as by themselves it is hard to explain where the soul resides but once implanted, it is there within the mother. .

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Perhaps you should read his comment again. There is absolutely nothing to agree with. You come across as though you’re trying to be ‘nice’. This commentator deserves to be called out for such wicked nonsense.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Rubbish! Since when did you gain divine right to be correct? I carefully phrased my reply as I did not wish my view of god and gods to interfere with it. What I think of his post is none of your business. I have dealt with evangelical Christians all my life and while they are more harmless than muslims, they are often just as bigoted and fanatical. You have your right to believe what you wish and so does he and Satan has SFA to do with it.

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Yikes! We’re on a public forum – you came here of your own accord, yet what you think is ‘none of my business’. What did you come here for if not to express your thoughts and for others to read them?
Bigots and fanatics, have you looked in the mirror recently? I will strike my “nice” comment. You seem to lean towards hysteria, and btw, Satan loves child sacrifice or have you never heard of Baal or Molech.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Thank You for proving my point.

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Lol

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

She’s just another emotional liberal imbecile.
I blocked her…

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Good! I noted how well you handled the last debate. You have no honour.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Why are you all the same? Fanatical parrots determined to thrust their arrogant “righteousness” down everyone’s throat and no better than a muslim.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

“no better than a muslim.” If you really believe that comment why don’t you relocate to any one of the fabulous islamic sh!ttystans which infest the globe today?

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago

As soon as some zealot starts throwing Satan, Moloch and Baal into the mix he is typed and I really do not care what you think as if you agree with that level of “belief” you are just as bad. The OT has little to do with JoN and true Christianity it is only kept as it was the bible of JoN.
I have no time for ANY religious fanatic and my take on abortion is on moral grounds not some religious rubbish.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

To make sure you don’t appear a hypocrite in your beliefs please avoid patronizing any Jewish or Christian hospitals — that were founded by the hard work and cash contributions of Jews and Christians.
Your desperate, puerile attempt to compare f’ing muslums to Christians is called an argument of false equivalence — especially in the 21st century. If you don’t believe me then MOVE to some islamic sh!ttystan or Dearbornistan, Michigan.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago

Please! You just embarrass yourself here even more so than usual.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I’m embarrassing myself? Who is the idiot comparing f’ing muslums, the most murderous bunch of f’ing troglodytes the earth has ever produced, to Christians?

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago

Confusion say (Confucius’ cousin), “He who debates with a monkey will only embarrass himself”

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Especially if the monkey breathes fire and brimstone and threatens the wrath of god. Do you really have a clue about Christianity of is it just “your” view that counts? I ran into so many just like you as a child. But do keep up the ad hominems as it again proves my point.

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

While the sentiment of my silly ‘monkey’ comment is true, I regret to say that weakness got the better part of me when I made. For that I do apologize, but I also don’t think you see how abusive you are. There is such venom behind your accusations, and in spite of “just your view that counts” comment, you apparently don’t see the three fingers pointing back at you while you point at others spouting “hypocrisy” and “arrogance”.
You say that you have great respect for JoN yet are very disparaging of people that speak of the same things He spoke of, without offering anything corrective, only prejudice (“I ran into so many like you”) and judgement. And then you go on to condemn anyone who, in your opinion, “breathes fire and brimstone and threatens the wrath of God”, again, there’s that three finger thing (btw, do you not capitalize God by mistake or by commission).
It is very difficult to understand your position. I don’t know if there is a reasonable side to you or not, but if you want to drop all the accusation garbage, then maybe we can have a conversation.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Decent comment and worth replying in like. I guess then that I should also apologize for my initial comments. So I do. I did not agree with yiyoda nor disagree I was actually passing on observations/information that I have been told by people whose word I trust plus my own observations. I believe in the immortal soul but I am neither theist nor deist.
BTW what JoN said and did not say is very open to debate as the gospels supposedly all destroyed, that have now been discovered place a different slant on that subject. IIRC there were 36 of which 4 were chosen and we now have access to some 16+ of the lost ones plus commentaries on or fragments of the rest
As a child I experienced the real hypocrisy of so many “devout” Christians( and hence the “red flag’ at Satan, Moloch and Baal) and I actually gave myself quest to find a real “Christian” and failed as we are all human first. My experiences here and in the world have just proven that hypocrisy is still the most common attribute of most believers.
The remainder has been edited out

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Thank you for that. If you read around on this page you will find the hypocrites in force as usual and most of them seem to lack basic comprehension skills and certainly any sense of manners or of honour. My views are pretty well fixed. I can and do, respect any belief structure in anyone, so long as it does not interfere with me and those around me and that is where religious fanatics always tread. In many such a belief makes them a better person but often it is in their eyes only(not a shot at you by any means) .A question? Did you read my post before or after the edit? That is salient as if you missed it I will repost it then delete it again.
I had to post it here as it would not post below

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I did not see it. I don’t quite know what is going on at my end with the disqus platform, but comments are in disorder and some are clearly missing altogether. If you could repost it and leave it up for a day, I will most certainly read it.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

I am deleting this now as the 7 day limit is near and it is too private to leave on.

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Your posting is still in my own listings so I was able to read it (I notice that my lengthy comment to you has been taken down, not my doing?); you have had some extraordinary experiences.

From what I can gather you believe:

The West was founded on Christian principles and that as foundations go, that was a good thing and I would agree.

You view Communism as bad and I would agree (I would throw Socialism in there too and maybe you do as well).
You oppose abortion on moral grounds and I would agree, but I also bring my faith based beliefs into it as well. I believe that our (western) cultural disregard for ‘life’ and our collective refusal to stop is one of the reasons that our nation level paradigm with God has changed.
You believe that people can believe whatever it is they want to believe so long it doesn’t cross the line into doing harm to others, and that as such, Islam is a detestable belief system on many levels, and I would agree.
You believe that the teachings of JoN are worthy of much respect, but that the churches in His name are a poor representation of them. I will agree with that to a point. As you said before, “we are all human first” (and you know that I don’t offer that as an excuse, only a reason). Man’s hand has an unfortunate tendency to ruin good things (not always), but I believe God has preserved a remnant of the faithful as well as His expressed word (Bible) to us.

You believe that JoN was a man, a good man, but if I’m reading you correctly, you stop there. I don’t see in your writing a believe in God. You seem to accept a metaphysical notion (you believe in the soul), but I don’t see it extending into believing in God or that JoN was more than just a man. And if so, this would be the one area of disagreement between us as my beliefs about God are inseparable from my view of the world and myself in it. I hope we can accept that one difference and respect the other for what we do agree on. You are a worthy contributor and I hope you continue to post.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Well said and very close to the truth and I will leave it there so we have no conflict. One further point that explains my initial red flag to your first post is on the page listed below. If possible I would like you to read my post about Bolsonaro’s actions then the interaction between felix1999 and myself. I ask this of you as I wish you to see Christian hypocrisy in action. Now, he may well be a friend of yours and if so I am sorry about that, but he defines what I detest. Read it with an open mind and please let me know. If you refuse, just say so and I will drop it all: http://b1ff5939f6.nxcli.net/2019/12/corbyns-bloodbath-defeat-in-uk-election-sends-catastrophic-warning-to-2020-dems.html/

Addendum….right now the west has its backs to the wall and I think that allies of any persuasion are necessary and have to be accepted for what they are. the climate here is very negative for atheists ( I see such as a faith as they are fanatical. evangelize and possess a belief impossible to prove just like all beliefs) and agnostics. The zealots here should be a lot more careful about who they alienate. If we can ally with the USSR in WW2 (something which horrified my whole family) the Christian posters here should show some of the fabled “tolerance” that I see so little of here. I post on many sites but none as aggressively zealous as those here and anyone not used to mass gangbangs online such as I endured here would go elsewhere.

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Did you get my response. I see that yet again it is no longer posted??

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

No sign of it I am sorry to say. Thank you for trying : )
I just checked your list of posts and it is not there either.

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I don’t understand why this keeps happening. It was over 2 paragraphs and covered all of the issues you raised and then some. Very frustrating. It takes a while to compose a thought filled reply. Is someone at disqus censoring me, and if so, why? This is going on a 4th posting being taken down – one was marked as spam.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

The page is old and they dislike anything more than several lines being added as the memory allowed has already been allocated and is probably approximating 100%. I had to write a reply some 5x (not to you) and the all 5 popped up then none. Try an OT reply to any of my posts on a page just a day or two or three old (so that no one will notice).That might work. I save important posts temporarily before posting as I learnt the hard way

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago

By their rhetoric they are compared and they are comparable. Oh yes they no longer kill as much now but the fanaticism is there although no longer as common as it used to be but the righteous arrogance is still obvious. I have great respect for JoN, Christianity, and its works but none for its churches nor the hypocrites who pollute it. If you were not one of them you would notice the similarity of the rhetoric and that was my point and you are just confirming it Fanaticism has always been dangerous irrespective of the source. However while we direly need an aggressive Christianity to defend the west we still do not have to like the fanatics who will join the bandwagon.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

She revealed herself as a hater and a wingnuts to boot with her “theories”.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

Well! Well! Well! Out of the woodwork they come. Not my theory dear child but obviously beyong your ken.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

My comment on “Life” to yiyoya are below if you care learn what it says it might clarify my thots on the topic.

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

This “Michele” is a vile deceptive social liberal in drag. I blocked her after she thought Jesus being mocked in a blasphemous move called The FIrst Temptation was “magnificant” and thorougly enjoyed it. I have no time for deceptive Obama trash. I also blocked this “yiyoya” along time ago for similar reasons.

Netflix streams blasphemous ‘Christmas’ video depicting gay Jesus,
adulterous Virgin Mary

More than one million people have signed a petition to demand the file be taken off the streaming service.
Thu Dec 12, 2019 – 4:46 pm EST

SAO PAULO, Brazil, December 12, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Netflix has released a blasphemous “Christmas special” movie that depicts Jesus as a homosexual and the Virgin Mary as an adulterer, prompting more than one million people to sign a petition to have the film removed from the popular streaming service.

A Primeira Tentação de Cristo, or The First Temptation of Christ, is a production of the Porta dos Fundos comedy troupe from Brazil. In the supposed parody, Jesus is shown bringing home a homosexual lover to meet Mary and Joseph.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/netflix-streams-blasphemous-christmas-video-depicting-gay-jesus-adulterous-virgin-mary

Hey NETFLIX, have some courage and do a movie on PEDOPHILE Mohammad!

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

THAT’D GET ATTENTION…eh!

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

He is a liar, a fool and a coward.. here is the interaction. defend him: http://b1ff5939f6.nxcli.net/2019/12/corbyns-bloodbath-defeat-in-uk-election-sends-catastrophic-warning-to-2020-dems.html/

But we both know you wont as it is easier to believe a fellow hypocrite.

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Very rarely do I write people off, but you are right, a distinction must be made between trying to ‘fix/help’ someone’s thoughts/thinking and just delivering the message. Her opinions are not well thought out and the hypocrisy she spews makes it too difficult to reason with her.

She calls us arrogant and fanatical because our beliefs are biblical centered yet she sees no arrogance in herself when she makes up her own version of God and scriptures – what could be more arrogant?
To her its all “rubbish” and she finds no difficulty dismissing us, yet we are the fanatics. For someone who doesn’t want us to stick our noses into her business (thoughts), she incredulously fails to grasp that it is she posting her thoughts on a public platform that’s sole purpose is for people to share exactly that.

She correctly states that people are entitled to believe want they want, so be it. But if they don’t want anyone’s comments or reflections on such, then don’t come to a public forum and arrogantly believe that your thoughts are untouchable. What a fatuous thing to say.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Do you really believe all of that nonsense? The arrogance is overwhelming. If you were typical of Christians no wonder it is in decline. JoN would be appalled by you.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Christ followers tho oppressed + murdered daily around the world are on the increase expotentially esp all Asia and even Iran, N. Korea, Vietnam + places not considered possible.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

And I rail against that here and in many other places and have served where the murders are occurring and have done my duty before mankind in trying to help and have paid for it. If you were not a Johnny-come-lately here you would know that. But it seems that you and your “friends” have suddenly come out of the woodwork. I see any religious fanaticism as bad and the churches who claim to represent JoN have had their evil moments never as badly as islam but still they committed evil but I support the concept and the efforts of Christianity as the core ideals of the west as it is the core ideals of JoN but not of the churches who purport to speak in his name. How clear is that?

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

You seriously have major issues in both communication + comprehension.

Either mentally a child or senile.
My 1st posted assessment above seems correct.

Are you on meds or quit against Dr. orders – perhaps already institutionalized?

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

Surely your “debating” skills surpass pathetic little ad hominems? No? The irony is that your attempted sneers say far more about you than they do about me. You well define the classical Christian hypocrite. Go ahead and block me like felix did.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

So? I probably know more about that than you do as I still receive mail from where I once worked.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Of what post are you referring too – for none are such- tho be good to know what bedbug cultist thinks….

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

Cultist? WTH are you talking about?

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

I am sorry felix but you are STILL a fool. I made NO such defence of the atrocity: “The First Temptation of Christ”. Instead I panned it and said that IMO “The Last temptation of Christ” was an excellent movie and actually was very close to the book. You never admitted your mistake. you never apologized but you “blocked” me (as is your right however cowardly). You are a poor example of a Christian and your mere appearance on this “gangbang” attempt is proof of that. Unfortunately your “kicks” are as pathetic as is both your comprehension and your honour as a human.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Have the courage to tell the whole truth about your mistake you hypocrite!
It is down on the page still:
http://b1ff5939f6.nxcli.net/2019/12/corbyns-bloodbath-defeat-in-uk-election-sends-catastrophic-warning-to-2020-dems.html/

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Liar!

James Jones
James Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

I’m not all that familiar with Thomas Aquinas. I know the name of course but not much about his observations on scripture, so I won’t critique his teachings on whole. However, what you have written here contains no scriptural references, and being that there are scriptures implying that God actually knows the soul even before being conceived, as well as both John the Baptist and Jesus meeting and greeting one another while still in their mother’s womb, it leaves Aquinas rendering opinion only, and quite frankly, I have no use for just an opinion, I don’t care who its from.

I take my knowledge of God’s business from the scriptures and the Holy Spirit. This does not mean I won’t consider another opinion, but it must have a scriptural basis or else I’m not interested. If the “greatest Christian theologian” has no more than what you have presented, than he’s really not much of a theologian.

Based on the terminology you are using (zygote), you appear do doing your best to dehumanize the preborn, and although you don’t actually state your personal thoughts on when you think life begins, you make a very strange comparison between a miscarriage (God induced murder) and abortion (man induced murder). I don’t know if this is you saying “abortion is murder”, but you are certainly casting insult on God by making such a comparison. A person choosing to abort their child for convenience sake to even just the possibility that God’s sovereign nature is His to exercise, is an unworthy comparison. But you don’t stop there do you.

You go on to equate that if God murders than why can’t we murder. You sound like a satanist. Are you? Your understanding of the true nature of God is woeful, but its the level of anger that approaches hatred in your words that are disturbing, along with some of your notions – Hitler, no eternal soul (was this an Aquinas proposition?) – a preborn soul being destroyed forever?? – a fetus is not a baby??
A fetus is definitely a baby, Hitler was just a man who did evil, and God does not kill out sin as man does. Get thee behind me Satan.

Stasia Bug
Stasia Bug
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Well said!

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

My kids went to a Christian school. It turned out to be a wise decision. Each week they had to memorize a Bible verse and of course had a Bible based class. It shaped their world view and gave them a good foundation.

Psalms .139:14
[14] I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth

Luke 12:7
[7] But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Matthew 10: 29-31
[29] Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
[30] But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
[31] Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

If that isn’t enough, what mere mortal can claim to be omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscience all at the same time? God made all of us. The forming of a baby is truly miracluous. Abortions are performed beause they are inconvenient and the “mother” does’t want anyone else to have it. If they don’t want it, neither should someone else have it – total selfishness and that is the truth. Tubal pregnancies are a very small percentage and 99% of them disolve naturally. I know you know all of this but maybe it will help someone else.. It’s sad that people want to pick and chose what they prefer to believe at the expense of a tiny human being.

Life begins at CONCEPTION! If it wasn’t alive , it couldn’t grow!

arthur facteau
arthur facteau
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

‘If it wasn’t alive, it couldn’t grow’! Good point, never thought of that!

Francis
Francis
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

I just saw some pics of an ultrasound from my niece. Sure looked alive to me.

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

I have spent many years studying the writing of St Thomas Aquinas And I assure you that no where in his writing do such conclusions direct or indirect can be found. This writer knows nothing of what he writes. He cannot cite any references because there are none!

arthur facteau
arthur facteau
4 years ago
Reply to  John Acord

Thank you for that, never read his writings, was thinking the guy was an idiot, and was glad I never wasted the time it would take to read him.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  James Jones

Yiyoya is evidently not very bright, is very low-info and has a clue what he’s repeating from some wingnuts Marxist publication = likely similar to one’s depicting Jesus as “the first communist”.
THANKS FOR THE ASTUTE REFUTATION…

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

What a complete load of BS. ST Thomas Aquinas was a 13th Century theologian and had no knowledge of zygotes, sperm or eggs. Please reference what part of his Summa Theologica you discovered this interesting bit of 20th Century knowledge?You,sir, are a deceiver or promulgating false doctrine attributed to one of he Church’s greatest scholars and Fathers.

Achmed Mohandjob
Achmed Mohandjob
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

You start out calling Sir Thomas Aquinas a “Christian theologian”. You lost me there. Other than members of the church of rome, NO one believes him to have been a Christian. That fallacy, alone, destroys your argument.
What difference does it make if a child, while playing, falls out of a tree and dies …. and a child being kidnapped and brutally murdered?

nag2
nag2
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

You simply misunderstand what the Biblical definition of a “living soul” is and it makes your statement meaningless. Try to understand Gen. 2:7.

arthur facteau
arthur facteau
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Well, hate to be the bearer of bad news, and you can look this up if you so choose, but since the mid 80’s medical science, such as the Harvard medical collage, the Mayo Clinic, the American Asso. of Pediatricians, as well as several others have all agrees that life begins at the moment of conception, and have the science to prove it. Quite a few well written medical/scientific papers out there proving the point as well.
Doctors providing abortions are going against the Hippocratic Oath, ‘first, do no harm’, and I believe the main reason is simply $$$, and for most of them, in this day and age, really, that’s all most of them really give a damn about anymore.
As to your comment ‘In one case God is the murderer’, that is just patently absurd. God does not just decide that, ‘Hey, think I’ll cause this woman to have a miscarriage today’. that is simply the human body malfunctioning. It happens. Simply the result of sin in the imperfect human body, which we will have in us until such a time as that is corrected. Might want to go back as read Genesis again, and re acquaint yourself with the end result of sin entering the body. This is just one of the many consequences.
And Hitler? He had a soul. Aquinas, whom I have heard of, but have never read, sounds a bit like an idiot. Glad now I have never wasted the lifespan required to delve into his writings. ALL humans are born with a soul, each and every one of us, and each and every one of us have a destination, based on our choices, we choose where we are going to wind up, no one chooses for us, we make that choice. and Hitler made his choice. Sadly for him, he did not choose wisely….

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  arthur facteau

I also once believed that life began at conception. But the advent of in vitro fertilization made me think somewhat and IMO it begins with successful implantation. I say this as I think that the new life needs a fostering one to appear. What happens when we have hordes of in vitro clones popping up (a la “the Island”) should sort this out, although (again) IMO not for the good of humanity.

arthur facteau
arthur facteau
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Michelle, there is no difference with In Vitro, a Sperm and an egg come together, creating life in the lab, rather then via copulation. That is the only difference. It is still life. Also, they are not ‘clones’. A ‘Clone’ is a ‘Replica’ of something or someone, a child given birth through In Vitro is the product of the Sperm and the Egg of 2 different people, and there is shared DNA. with Cloning, there is no shared DNA, there is only the DNA of the person being cloned.

Sure, there needs to be ‘fostering’, the child then needs to be implanted into the mothers womb, of course, to continue the life cycle, but it’s still a living, growing child, a life, at least as far as I’m concerned, and medical science agrees.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  arthur facteau

I think that you missed my point: medically there is no evidence of any immortal soul unless you try to explain what is the basis to NDEs. However just like some have belief structures which they term “facts” I do believe in the immortal soul and have had some personal experiences which are otherwise inexplicable. Now around the world there must be many thousands of in vitro fertilized eggs in cold storage and you are telling me that all of these “individuals” are on pause awaiting the womb or the incinerator? I am totally aware of the biology of conception and to some degree of in vitro work and IMO there needs to be a coherent explanation of here that is worthy. It is guesstimated that >90% of human conceptions spontaneously abort and if you check the menstrual pads/tampons etc. of cohabiting women you will often find evidence of such. To say that each one is a soul lost forever is a little OTT as it in your belief structure it would mean that your god sees a >90% soul failure rate as acceptable.
As for in vitro zygotes allowed to progress to a child born to the world by technology. You are correct these will only be clones if duplicated from an existing person whose DNA profile they possess. However, what will these creatures be? Will they be human with an immortal soul? Or will they not? You seem sure, I am not so certain.

arthur facteau
arthur facteau
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

When did we start talking about an egg by itself or a sperm by itself as a person? Thats utterly ridiculous. It takes a combination of the two together to create a person. when that happens, you then have the formation of the basis for a person, which is life. either or by itself is meaningless.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  arthur facteau

I certainly did not. I have no idea as to from whence you gained that idea. the eggs found on tampons and pads had been fertilized but failed to implant. Would you like to reread my post and then have a rational discussion?

arthur facteau
arthur facteau
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Look, you believe what you want. What I stated stands. I don’t need to re read the post. Once the egg is fertilized, you have the start of a person, end of story, it does not matter one whit if or not it fails or not in an implant, or if or not you believe ‘it’ has a soul, your belief does not matter, the fact still remains. Like the old saying goes, when someone tries to tell someone who does not believe in God, ‘That’s O.K., He believe’s in you’. Your lack of believe in something does not negate fact.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  arthur facteau

Umm I can believe what I like but you know the truth? Please! you THINK that such is true but you really do NOT know and to call it fact with what I just told you(frozen fertilized eggs and the 90% loss of fertilized eggs) does make it seem a guess more than a fact. Now You can believe what you like for whatever reason you like but please do NOT call it fact just because that is what you believe. “a start of a person”????. How many seeds does it take to grow a plant? Not one unless you are very lucky that is for certain. Making a fertilized egg out to be a “person” is ridiculous unless successful implantation occurs. (do you have any idea of the failure rate for implanted in vitro fertilized eggs?) Addendum..I just checked your post on the mayo clinic etc. and that does not change my opinion one iota as there is NO way that they could know that for certain. it is an assumption not a fact.
I think that we should drop this as we are poles apart but at least it was polite.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

The soul and spirit are two different things…the Word divides the two.

The spirit is our very eternal essense that will return to Whom created it…

Whereas our soul is our earthly manifestation of self awareness.

Both are present at the microsecond of conception whereupon –
6,000,000,000 bits [yeah 6billion] of information of everything we are + will be is created, translated and being orchestrated at the same time by intelligent design far far beyond human comprehension- i.e. = a miraculous event.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

If that is what you believe there is nothing wrong with it. But to call it “factual” is incorrect as it is no more than belief rhetoric presented as facts.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

No- the biology is spot on + the spiritual is from The Word.

You’re a problem seemingly waiting to launch on any passerby sourcing from your own fringe concepts and instability – “Borderline Personality” perhaps.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

Ahh! The expected ad hominem. The “biology” as you call it, is absolute rubbish and if you don’t know the difference between fact and belief who are you to comment upon another? As for the “word” that is belief also and just because it exists in some scripture does not make it a truth however much you push it.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

No you demonically demented witch – the genetic information on conception is scientific fact – also – you’re most ignorant of – or – anti Scripture.

You sermingly an intentional intellectually vacant nutcase not worth attempting a conversation with for your evident bitter hatred for everyone.
GET HELP – we are thruough-!!!

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

keep it up! It just proves my point.
BTW What genetic information on conception do you mean? As it stands that comment is idiotic by itself. Do run just like felix did. No honour and an absolute hypocrite, far too typical of religious zealots everywhere. Can I expect further attacks from your fellow zealots?

One of Billions
One of Billions
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

nor pro-lifers in Congress and the Senate and the President who continue to fund PP with 500,000,000 per year.

bigmurr
bigmurr
4 years ago

Democrats are why some people in the world can’t trust us.

FormerlyNicab
FormerlyNicab
4 years ago

Fly democraps first class around Iran on Ukrainian airlines….. these POS admire power and those who wield it with force. I could image the horrors the Democraps would do if they were allowed to do what they what to who they want, whenever they want.

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

Demoncrappers prefer the oppressed Iran of today and want that for you!
Before Muslim hardliners took over Iran was very westernized.
comment image?w=807&h=444

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

I wonder how “secular” the Shah really was. For example, did he enforce islamic blasphemy and heresy laws? Was it allowed to publicly criticise the muslum faith and their holey pedophile prophet for profit? The shah himself went on hajj and made a big deal of it. Is that secular?

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago

The Shah did not oppress Christians,Jews or Zoroastrians. Savak, his police, did attempt to suppress radical Muslims and was hated for this. Persians more than any other ethnic group in the M.E.are very likely to reject Islam in mass. I would not be surprised if its practice is banned when Resa Shah regains the Peacock Throne.

Patriotliz
Patriotliz
4 years ago
Reply to  John Acord

Hell will freeze over before Reza Shaw or the majority of Persians declare apostasy. It really doesn’t matter if this current Iranian Islamic tyrannical government (which Muhammad would approve) is overthrown because Islam will always be the dominant “political” and “cultural” force with some implementation of Sharia in any country with a Muslim majority or a even significant minority. Just look at the Islamization of Europe. UK has Sharia courts. Unlike with the defeat of Japan during WWII, Islamic imperialism and supremacy will never be snuffed out because it’s considered a major world “religion.” Nazism was discredited and we are allowed to discriminate against Nazism. It’s an undeniable fact that ISLAM is de facto a totalitarian ideology. ISLAM = Nazism = Communism. The only thing that the West can do is to “contain” Islam to their own self-made hell and prevent any self-identified Muslims (secular or not) migration to the West. The question that should be used to vet Muslims which would never be asked would be: “Why would any freedom-loving person identify with an ideology invented by Muhammad, the first jihadist terrorist?” However, we are not allowed per the Constitution to discriminate against someone for their “religion”….that’s our Achilles heel.
comment image

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago
Reply to  Patriotliz

I agree with many of your sentiments and analysis,but historically Islam has been beaten back and people whose ancestors were forcefully converted persuaded to embrace Christianity once again. The best example is Spain And Andalusia as well as much of Portugal and Sicily. Today, the Russian Orthodox Church under Patriarch Kiril is making great inroads in converting Muslims To Christianity.,especially in the Caucasus region.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  John Acord

The only way Islam was “beaten back” in Europe was because Catholic MEN were willing to fight and die to KILL f’ing muslums.

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago

It took 700 years to return the bells to the Catholic Cathedral in Seville. Millions died in the Reconquista of the Iberian Peninsula, to name just one great and enduring conflict.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  John Acord

Islam can only be beaten back under two conditions: 1) the population must still have memory of NOT being under islam and 400 yrs is probably the maximum there; 2) there must be a nation nearby that can and will aid them if only by moral support. Neither of the two are possible for Iran

Patriotliz
Patriotliz
4 years ago
Reply to  John Acord

Dear John the Optimist,
There were armies of warmongering Muslims then and it required Christian armies to repel them. NOW it’s an infestation into Western society with colonies and the West is supposed to be tolerant and accepting of everything non-West but their own race, their own ethnicity, their own history, their own Christian heritage, culture and their own national sovereignty. Good for the Russian Orthodox…but that doesn’t help Western nations much.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  Patriotliz

Tho do realize that to become a U.S. citizen one must aware an oath of allegiance to our Constitution- i.e. Means Sharia cannot then be accepted by them to pass – moreover if later they they push here for Sharia over our Constitution even once a citizen = their citizen ship can bevteboked + they be deported.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

IIRC didn’t a muslim represenattive swear his oath on the koran? Sort of negates that point.

Patriotliz
Patriotliz
4 years ago
Reply to  mtman2

Again, Hell would freeze over before anything like that ever gets instituted here since Sharia is not considered a “dirty” word. You can’t really have Islamic “religion” w/o Sharia which is integral to traditional Islamic culture. Muslims can say anything to get their foot in the door (Taqiyya). So why let any self-declared Muslim come in? We have enough of them here already who turn jihadist on us and then there are infidel citizens who are insane and convert to Islam and then attack us infidels…we don’t need to risk any more self-identified Muslims to come here pretending that Islam is simply a “religious” preference. It’s a fascist political commitment. They are not allowed to assimilate or else they become heretics but are useful heretics nonetheless to the Ummah by providing a benign cover for the fundamentalist Muslims who always have the power because those fundamentalists are the true legitimate Muslims.
comment image

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago
Reply to  Patriotliz

Spot on!! Well said!

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  John Acord

In the muslum world government is only as good as the latest muslum strongman and the Shah? He was OBVIOUSLY a f’ing muslum if he went to the trouble of going on hajj to Mecca.

Robert Kahlcke
Robert Kahlcke
4 years ago

Islam is a CULT, it is NOT a Religion. ie Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Koresch, et al

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

Demoncrappers prefer the oppressed Iran of today and want that for you!
Before Muslim hardliners took over Iran was very westernized.
comment image?w=807&h=444

felix1999
felix1999
4 years ago

Globalists want this for you!
Third world “diversity” but they don’t live with it. It’s not working well in any western country.
comment image?w=860

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago

Anyone remember the Arabpig Spring? Everyone bleated about the f’ing muslums wanting freedom back then but it was anything but freedom for the kafir.

aebe
aebe
4 years ago

If the arab spring had been about freedom, Obama and company would not have needed to fund and train terrorists to put it into motion. Freedom to abuse women and teach homosexuals to fly is what Obama wanted.

MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
4 years ago
Reply to  aebe

For Coptic Christians in Egypt there’s practically no difference between Morsi and Sisi– it’s still the same old muslum persecution regardless of what muslum dictator is bleating about freedom and democracy.

Michelle
Michelle
4 years ago

Yet they are still there no matter what the muslins do. IMO Copts are the very best of Christians

aebe
aebe
4 years ago

Dims blocked a cote because they admire the madmullahs, and prefer by far to emulate them. If only they had the gumption to dust off their guillotines and put them to work.

#CONSTITUTIONAL-CARRY!

dapto
dapto
4 years ago

Under obola Terrorism flourished.

stephen5970
stephen5970
4 years ago

Yet they are so worried about the “rights” of illegals in the country, and that the wall is preventing the free movement of illegals into the country.

It seems that they are very selective of which people have the right to be supported. I guess they really support the Iranian government and its use of brutal force to suppress its own people.

The_Devilbat
The_Devilbat
4 years ago

Islam has been chosen by the globalists as the sole religion for planet Earth because it aligns well with communism. The democratic party is overflowing with Marxists who are going all out for globalism and a one world government. Attacking Iran is attacking Islam in their eyes. Now you know why they are supporting the mullahs. Now you know why Obama formed, trained and equipped ISIS.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago
Reply to  The_Devilbat

I believe the Globalist’s are using the Islamic Death-Cult to take down the Judeo-Christian West – then they’ll biologically take them out.

America is the last armed holdout of “WE the People” that stand for our Bibles and Liberty.

Hans Wellington
Hans Wellington
4 years ago

Just as a matter of principle will the Democrats vote against everything regardless what. They would however make a generous exception if the debate happens to be about a pay rise or any other benefits for them.

Drew the Infidel
Drew the Infidel
4 years ago

Just what you would expect from the commiecrats, voting the sentiments of the assaholas.

Porter G. Stone
Porter G. Stone
4 years ago

Democrats are parasites.
They ally with every and each political system and dictator as long as they stay rich and in power – muslims best friends!
These rats changed the educational system, keep the poor poor, enslave whole populations, all over the world.
They are the scums of all societies which need to get erased and flushed away together with their islamic sponsors!

Jay Wizzy
Jay Wizzy
4 years ago

To condemn the Iranian tyranny but to arm Saudi Arabia with missile defense system & more while not raising awareness about enslavement of Africans, declitorization of girls & killing of atheists there is morally flawed.
Who raises awareness to protect health is the government. Who don’t not.

Ed Maher
Ed Maher
4 years ago

The Democrats are tools of the Muslim Brotherhood. They are helping the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, and the rest of their proxies to push their civilization jihad!
It’s a total disgrace that our legislative branch has gone so far to the left that they are anti-American!!!

TomSJr
TomSJr
4 years ago

IF people don’t believe DEMOCRATS are the epitome of EVIL, then this should prove it.

ALL you people who are Democrats, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU AND YOUR PARTY? AREN’T YOU ASHAMED?

You liberals CLAIM to love everything, yet you could care less about PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE FREE OF TYRANNY. IS SATAN YOUR GOD? I believe it is! May G-d have mercy on YOU for supporting such EVIL.

DEMOCRATS HATE ANYTHING GOOD, RIGHTEOUS, OR PATRIOTIC.
THE DEMOCRAT PARTY is the DemonRat Party.

John Acord
John Acord
4 years ago

Every Commiecrat Member of Congress should be asked, “Why did you refuse to vote for the resolution supporting the Iranian people protesting against their government?” The answer needs to be recorded and then played a thousand times over on the local media during the 2020 Campaign.

Patriotliz
Patriotliz
4 years ago

No surprises there…we have to acknowledge the fact that the Globalist Leftist Democrat party are allies of Islam against America and the Free World.
comment image
comment image

Robert Kahlcke
Robert Kahlcke
4 years ago

That’s because the Democrat’ leaders are in fact Islamic plants, that were WHELPED from SWINE that were IMPREGNATED by DOGS.

Andycane
Andycane
4 years ago

If Obama had killed Soleimani the left would be all in for the resolution.

mtman2
mtman2
4 years ago

Creepy liars they are – this is still a shock!.

Cold blooded murder of 1,500 Iranians; then shooting down an airliner with 172 Canadian, Ukranian + Iranians onboard is HORRENDOUS.

Yet the Left hates Trump so much if he’s for it they’re against it = proof they’re all completely deranged loons or some would break out for shame.

carson
carson
4 years ago

fat hypocrites

Francis
Francis
4 years ago

DNC – The other Religion of Peace.

Byron Mullet
Byron Mullet
4 years ago

Democrats have the blood of 63 million dead babies on their hands. Saying it doesn’t matter is the Criminal Mind. Institutionalizing it, forcing us to participate in it by tax payer funding the carnage down the street from millions of us is unconstitutional. It is totalitarianism. Probably why they identify with other blood cults.

Sponsored
Geller Report
Thanks for sharing!