[ May 3, 2024 ]
Why is Rosenstein still there? Or his weak sister, Sessions?
And why is high treason now the accepted norm? America is in a bloody tailspin.
Rosenstein wanted to wear wire on Trump, NYT says
By Morgan Chalfant, The Hill, September, 21, 2018:
Story continues below advertisementDeputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein proposed secretly recording conversations in the Oval Office with President Trump last year and discussed the possibility of Cabinet officials invoking the 25th Amendment to remove the president, according to a New York Times report.
The bombshell story sparked a political firestorm Friday afternoon, prompting an immediate denial from the Justice Department and sparking calls from conservative circles for Trump to fire his No. 2 law enforcement official.
The Times, citing people familiar with the matter, reported on Friday that Rosenstein made comments to other Justice Department officials in meetings in spring 2017 about secretly recording Trump after the president fired FBI Director James Comey in May.
The allegations are said to be laid out in contemporaneous memos written by then-acting FBI director Andrew McCabe, who was fired by the Justice Department earlier this year amid an internal leak probe.
Rosenstein is fiercely denying the Times’ account, and reports from other outlets on Friday have offered conflicting pictures of the events, with many characterizing Rosenstein’s comment about a wire on the president as sarcastic.
“The New York Times’s story is inaccurate and factually incorrect,” Rosenstein said in a statement issued by the Justice Department. “I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda.”
“But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment,” he added.
According to the Times, which cited unnamed sources, Rosenstein made the remarks last year to McCabe who then detailed the Justice Department official’s comments in memos.
In the discussions, Rosenstein reportedly floated the possibility of recruiting Cabinet members, such as Attorney General Jeff Sessions and then-Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, now the White House chief of staff, behind an effort to invoke the 25th Amendment.
The amendment allows Cabinet members to trigger removing the president by majority vote if they deem the president unfit for office.
There is no evidence that Rosenstein acted on the alleged assertions.
A Justice Department spokeswoman provided a comment to the Times from a person who was said to be present when Rosenstein reportedly suggested wearing a wire. That person, who was not named, said Rosenstein’s remark was made sarcastically.
The Washington Post confirmed later Friday that McCabe’s memos state that Rosenstein suggested surreptitiously recording the president.
However, the Post also cited an unnamed official present for the meeting who claimed the comment was made in jest and that it came in response to McCabe’s own suggestion that the Justice Department open a probe into Trump following Comey’s firing.
Michael Bromwich, an attorney for McCabe, said in a statement after the Times article was published that the former FBI deputy director has “no knowledge” of how his memos were leaked to the media. The lawyer added that the memos have been provided to Mueller’s office.
“Andrew McCabe drafted memos to memorialize significant discussions he had with high level officials and preserved them so he would have an accurate, contemporaneous record of those discussions,” Bromwich said.
“When he was interviewed by the Special Counsel more than a year ago, he gave all of his memos — classified and unclassified — to the Special Counsel’s office,” Bromwich added. “A set of those memos remained at the FBI at the time of his departure in late January 2018. He has no knowledge of how any member of the media obtained those memos.”
McCabe was fired by the Justice Department in March, before a scathing inspector general report concluded that he lied to FBI agents about his unauthorized disclosures to the media. A grand jury has reportedly been convened to examine McCabe’s actions.
The events last year, as reported by the Times, came after Trump fired Comey, a decision that the White House initially attributed to a Justice Department memo written by Rosenstein that faulted the now-former FBI director for his handling of the agency’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server.
Comey’s firing sparked a fury of criticism, and e in the 2016 election.
Rosenstein and Sessions have drawn repeated criticism from Trump over the Russia probe, which the president has continually characterized as a “witch hunt” against him.
nd eventually resulted in Rosenstein appointing Robert Mueller as special counsel to spearhead the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.Rosenstein and Sessions have drawn repeated criticism from Trump over the Russia probe, which the president has continually characterized as a “witch hunt” against him.
Despite Rosenstein’s denial, the Times story threatens to further ratchet up tensions between Trump and his top law enforcement officials.
It has already prompted suggestions from conservative circles that the president should fire the deputy attorney general.
“Rod Rosenstein must be fired today,” Fox News host Laura Ingraham wrote on Twitter. “He needs to go. Today.”
News of Rosenstein’s alleged discussions about invoking the 25th Amendment also follow the publication of an anonymous op-ed in the Times earlier this month detailing a “resistance” within the administration dedicated to “thwarting” the president’s “worst inclinations.”
The op-ed, which included claims that Cabinet offic
Despite Rosenstein’s denial, the Times story threatens to further ratchet up tensions between Trump and his top law enforcement officials.It has already prompted suggestions from conservative circles that the president should fire the deputy attorney general.
“Rod Rosenstein must be fired today,” Fox News host Laura Ingraham wrote on Twitter. “He needs to go. Today.”
News of Rosenstein’s alleged discussions about invoking the 25th Amendment also follow the publication of an anonymous op-ed in the Times earlier this month detailing a “resistance” within the administration dedicated to “thwarting” the president’s “worst inclinations.”
The op-ed, which included claims that Cabinet officials had discussed the possibility of utilizing the method of removing the president, caused swift denials from dozens of Trump officials in the administration.
Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, blasted administration officials over the Rosenstein report on Friday.
“Shocked!!! Absolutely Shocked!!! Ohhh, who are we kidding at this point? No one is shocked that these guys would do anything in their power to undermine @realdonaldtrump,” he wrote on Twitter.
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64 Comments
5 years ago
What is Sessions doing on this one?…Sitting on his fingers again??
5 years ago
Reply to
Maranatha
Yep and rotating at the same time. Who says the man is inept? Gosh, he is able to multitask.
5 years ago
Reply to
Ziggy46
Why has he been meeting with John Huber. Why does Huber report directly to Sessions. Ever seen the movie ‘The Sting’
5 years ago
Fire the usual suspect. Another rino. The rinos will have a major share of the responsibility for pushing this country into civil war. They have allowed the Left to achieve numerous oppressions. He is a Reform Jew. Now why does not that surprise me?
5 years ago
Reply to
lostlegends
He is part of clinton mafia so going after Trump with fake cases .
Clinton mafia still active after Trump takeover as they kill another witness
to email investigation http://tinyurl.com/y8p9cv5l
They know their hold overs in FBI / DOJ /NSC will help them out !
Unless they are totally purged including Left/Liberal judges to keep out their bias …its uphill task to prosecute them.
5 years ago
Reply to
Suresh
Buying all these all these creeps testifying against Trump with all sorts of accusations and bullshit surely must drain the Clinton fund severely. Would be interesting to know how much of that fund is left.
5 years ago
Reply to
Achmed Mohandjob
Right, remember, sorass is funding most of this. He wants one world order.
5 years ago
The New York Times sole rivals are the Tabloids one buys at the check-out in food markets. Rosenstein is pleased that he is part of the perfidy, treachery utilized by the Fifth Column, the leftist-fascist mainstream media. As a quintessential socialist elitist Rosenstein perceives himself as the intelligentsia, a superbeing of sorts. Not unlike those true believers of Nazism, Communism, seduced by a totalitarian ideology. His Jewishness should not play a part, but he represents the numerous American/Western Jews with an inherent grasping and reverence of the Socialist/Communist edict. He, the Democrats, and others of this pathetic worldview are not as intelligent as they predicate.
5 years ago
Feel like we are going around in circles, like we have been there done that and no end results of sackings, treason.
Best to line all the Demoncrats up, FBI and shoot the lot
So sick and tired of the scum and every day Americans cannot see it
5 years ago
Reply to
knightsstrength
At least if they would do that there would be no danger of accidentally shooting the wrong one.
5 years ago
Reply to
knightsstrength
Have wondered why someone hasn’t been called treasonous before now. All these people calling for killing the President, even blowing up the white house, kerry going to iran, mad maxine and her big mouth. I realize there is such a thing as free speech, but it doesn’t apply to conservatives, only to the demonrats.
5 years ago
I could care less about whether Rosenstein made the so-called comment, sarcastically or not. The ultimate challenge and issue is how all this rhetoric is affecting this great nation, especially as it involves the continuing investigation by Mueller into whether the Trump people knowingly cooperated with Russia to taint the election. This investigation, and all the morbid information that has been generated establishing that personal prejudice of the FBI and the AG played a significant role in the institution of the Mueller investigation, seems obvious to any right thinking person. This prejudice has significantly contributed to what is today a divisiveness that is causing much consternation in this nation. Mueller can help end some of this divisiveness by ending his likely falsely promoted investigation by ending his investigation and stating that there is no evidence that Trump or his campaign criminally tainted the election with Russian help. The election was won because the electorate did not trust Clinton and appreciated Trump’s message. In fact, our country has done well under Trump’s leadership, and we must bring back civility.
5 years ago
100 years ago this rosenwhatever would be dead,, traitor,,,,
5 years ago
5 years ago
Reply to
~~♥Baby Doll♥~~ Vote Trump!
3 words that cures Rosenstein disease, once and for all
Git the rope
5 years ago
Reply to
Kalambong Kalambong
Failing that I’d be quite okay with someone simply shooting him.
5 years ago
Reply to
~~♥Baby Doll♥~~ Vote Trump!
A good meme. Such a pity they spelt ‘You’re’ wrong though
5 years ago
Reply to
~~♥Baby Doll♥~~ Vote Trump!
Be nice if video or text message evidence comes out after he denies doing it.
Kinda like his co-conspirator Peter Strozk.
The only cure for this Democrat disease is to vote in “several doses” over several elections over the next 8 to 12 years. wipe them out like small pox.
5 years ago
Not sure what DJT has in mind…Give justice dept. enough rope?
5 years ago
Feel like we are going around in circles, like we have been their done that and no end results of sackings, treason.Best to line all the Demoncrats up, FBI and shoot the lotSo sick and tired of the scum and every day Americans cannot see it
5 years ago
Reply to
ethans
Many American’s do see it.
The media polls are rigged though. and
Those that don’t see it, usually watch CNN and MSNBC.
5 years ago
Reply to
TD
Speaking of polls …. the Democrat Party members see this as a real vote getter. However, in most polls (most recent “Real Politics’), it places the number of men, that believe this female, at 28%. The real kicker … the number of WOMEN that believe her is only 25%.
I have NO idea why the Republicans are concerned.
5 years ago
Why Trump doesn’t send a team of Rosenstein’s own agents in to remove him at gun point, is a total mystery. That should have happened months ago. And the American people have to pay for his treason every single day? GET. HIM. OUT!
5 years ago
5 years ago
Reply to
AR154U☑ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ DEPLORABLE 2020
That is what I think. I suspect that his early support of DT was a ploy to gain trust so that he could abandon the job by recusing himself of everything of importance after getting appointed.
5 years ago
It cannot be treason, since the US is not at war. Instead, I’d use the term “sedition”.
5 years ago
Reply to
michaelofsydney
The US has been at war with islam since the signing of the Constitution. Do the math.
5 years ago
Reply to
michaelofsydney
But treason applies to aiding and abetting an enemy. They are not necessarily aiding Islam other than in a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” sort of way.
Their behavior would be the same without Islam in the picture.
Thus, their acts may not be treasonous but they are still seditious.
Having said that, it seems to me, not trying to engage in conspiracies but I know of no other plausible explanation, that there is an enemy that most people don’t acknowledge and those who do are labeled as paranoid or delusional. The deep state as well as the one world order, which seems to be related, is an enemy. The whole open borders and United Nations attempt to rule over individual members to achieve some sort of utopia is proof that we do have an enemy because open borders will replace our national identity and that will make it possible to abrogate our constitutional foundations. And it is the Left but also RINOs aligned with the Left’s objective of one world order who are traitors to our nation because their seditious acts are aiding our enemy to overthrow our republic.
5 years ago
Reply to
Alan_McIntire
I think that both terms apply. The lines between sedition and treason are not always clear because the term “at war” is generally taken to mean at war with another sovereign state. We have however been at war with the Islamic State since 9/11 when they declared war on us. Because the US has not declared war on the IS does not necessarily mean that we are not at war and that those who provide “comfort and solace to our enemies” are not guilty of treason. You can also view the invasion into the US by Mexican nationals with the stated intent of “reclaiming California” as a non-military act of war.
5 years ago
Reply to
CreoleGumbo
TREASON is defined in the constitution.
Article III
Section 3
1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The US is NOT officially at war, so it’s currently IMPOSSIBLE to adhere to her enemies. As I said, this is SUBVERSION!
5 years ago
Reply to
Alan_McIntire
Alan_McIntire
Do we need to be at war to have an enemy?
I agree with you that these acts are seditious. And if their goal is to take over for themselves then their acts are purely seditious. But if their acts are so that a one world order can be established then that establishment is an enemy and thus their acts are also treasonous.
5 years ago
Reply to
created4el
They’re treasonous in the colloquial sense, but under the Constitution they could only be charged with sedition.
5 years ago
Reply to
created4el
Do we need to be at war to have an enemy?
I think that we do need to be in a physical war. That is how treason is defined in the Constitution as you can see from the definition submitted by Alan McIntire above. And I suspect that that is the reason that Congress and others in power are so reluctant.
5 years ago
Reply to
CreoleGumbo
It seems to me if they are at war with us and we’re too stupid to recognize it… this is clearly the case with Islam. And what the One World Order seems to be about, they are at war with us too.
Sun Tzu wrote that one needs to know who their enemy is or they will lose. We clearly don’t.
In the past, there were nation states with which one country would fight another. But that isn’t the case any more. So who would you be at war with? Islam isn’t tied to one nation or another at this point in time. And neither is the One World Order. This makes declaring war and identifying an enemy a bit more abstract. Thus I think we need to re-think what we mean by treason versus sedition. Maybe these are two sides of the same coin, but the results from actors committing treason versus sedition are essentially the same.
Note: Not that there is an organized leader of the One World Order besides Soros who seems to be funding much of that type of activity, but the activity is seditious none the same.
5 years ago
Reply to
CreoleGumbo
This has been going on for many many years, Always wondered when someone (in power) was going to realize that it has been a war with the invaders of this country for forever. Someone tell me why the rest of the world wants to invade the U.S. Because they are jealous.
5 years ago
Surely Rosenstein should be thrown in the jail?
5 years ago
The senate is bending over backwards and the leftists are screaming that Judge Kavanaugh must not be allowed to be a on the Supreme Court because of a 36 year old allegation that everyone who was there says is not true. SO WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AFTER THIS POS FOR AN ALLEGATION OF A YEAR AGO THAT HE ATTEMPTED TO COMMIT TREASON??!! HOW can he be trusted to EVER do his job leftists??!! WHERE IS THE LEFT’S OUTRAGE OVER THIS?
5 years ago
Move over Benedict Arnold, we have a new boy in town. Slippery weasel Rod Roesenstein! Take a bow ya pencil neck geek ya.
5 years ago
Rosenstein certainly doesn’t belong there.
But yes, this anonymous sources could be a trap for the President.
Things will be easier if people vote republican in November, then the President will have more power to crush the traitors.
5 years ago
Demoncraps have only little men, sodomites, f ags, fatherless morons, women and children ruling you. They can only offer a little man called Rosenstain to bring down a legal sitting US President. The kind kids use to beat up in school for lunch money.
First it was the koward Kennedy who left a lady to drown. Then a nutty President that gave away everything smiling with peanuts still stuck in his teeth. Then came a rapist who took advantage of homely women. Then a mahoo and sodomite Negro, followed by a bwitch called Hillaryous almost got in.
The FIB tried to take Donald out with a strange sassy looking kid and fatherless moron making funny faces on TV. Now you got this other kid who grown women can beat up for lunch money.
WTF???
5 years ago
It don’t surprize me about this guy he is one of the bad guys. Trump
Needs to catch this rat now and all his buddies.
5 years ago
Drowning swamp critters grasping at straws.
According to the 25th amendment,section 4 paragraph 1 as I read it,in order for it to be in effect,the Vice President MUST be onboard regardless of who brings the allegations against the POTUS.
I don’t see that happening.
A charge of Treason against those swampers in the “Resist” category IMO would have to be brought FBI [right,I see that] and put in front of a Grand Jury,as the US is technically at war and it is entirely possible a Grand Jury could agree to push forward charges against Brennan,Rosenstein,Comey and crew with Treason/High Treason.
Getting a conviction might be another story,but breaking their banks with atty fees would be nice to see and deserved.
Sedition charges are on the table IMO as they are attempting to overthrow a LEGAL POTUS,and Gov’t and there really is NO debate there.
This is without a shred of a doubt,turd world bannana republic BS going on.
Sessions is a less than worthless lump of shiite,he NEEDS to go and get an American Patriot in there to clean up this shiitehouse mess that is bogging down forward progress for the USA.
I’d like to see Allen West offered the job.
If Rudy Giuliani had taken the Atty Generals job when it was offered instead of wanting something else none of this would be going on.
Semper Fi
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5 years ago
Treason and sedition are terms that are similar in nature and are applied to cases wherein individuals or organizations have acted in defiance of established authorities. Sedition laws have always been in place to allow governments to take coercive action against acts of defiance that are meant to overthrow them. Treason involves acting against the interests of a state and thus confuses many as to whether they should use treason or sedition in a particular context. The key difference between sedition and treason is that the sedition is a crime against one’s own state, and so is treason, but treason is considered far more serious crime than sedition. This article takes a close look at the two words, sedition and treason, to come up with their differences.
What is Sedition?
If you are doing something or saying something that is meant to overthrow the established authority in your country, you are liable to be charged with sedition. To curb their citizens from doing so, many countries of the world have sedition laws in place. In the modern world, merely criticizing the policies of the government in place cannot be treated as sedition because of the freedom of speech. But in years gone by, governments treated their own people badly if they raised their voice against their policies. In fact, anti-sedition laws have been used by some countries to persecute minorities. These laws at times became a tool in the hands of governments to suppress the voices of opposition parties.
Subversion or disrespect of the constitution is often regarded as acts of sedition. There was a time when some people in US were charged with sedition when they burned national flags to show their displeasure against the Vietnam War.
What is Treason?
Treason is a concept that overlaps with sedition. It refers to acts of brazen defiance against one’s own government in a bid to bring harm or to overthrow the government in place. If you owe allegiance to your government but do something to overthrow the government or betray your state by harming its interests and by helping an enemy state, you are liable to be charged with treason. In earlier times, a servant killing his master or a wife running away with another man were considered as examples of treason. But in modern times, the act of a citizen that helps a foreign government to overthrow the government in place is considered an act of treason. Compromising with the security interests of one’s own country by helping an enemy state is also treason. Obviously declaring a war against one’s government in place is an act of treason.
What is the difference between Sedition and Treason?
• Sedition is a crime against one’s own state, and so is treason, but treason is considered far more serious crime than sedition.
• Speaking against the government or engaging in acts of defiance are termed as sedition and anti-sedition laws are applied on such individuals or organizations.
• In modern times, freedom of speech protects the right of individuals and governments cannot take action against their citizens merely on grounds of defiance or opposition.
• Espionage and helping the enemy state to overthrow one’s own government is considered treason.
• Burning national flag was seditious act in US a few decades ago but today it has been ruled legitimate by SC as part of the freedom of speech of the citizens.
• In general, treason is a more serious offense than sedition.
5 years ago
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5 years ago
The president could have a ball with this. He could avoid even addressing the issue. If ever queried upon such, he could state, “You know, I read something about that, in the “failing” New York Times. I cannot place too much stock in such, as with all of their ‘confidential sources’, and the number of times that they have been caught in outright lies …. I didn’t pay any attention to it.”
I am certain that the president knows all about Rosie and all of its schemes … When the time is right, he’ll take appropriate action.
But for now, wouldn’t it be a hoot to see him just call out the failing NYT and their “fake news”?
5 years ago
For the life of me I do not see why President Trump has not fired Rosenstein AND Sessions
5 years ago
Reply to
Jeanne Ballard
Right after the midterm elections. The Marxists that call themselves Democratic are salivating for him to sack their top end rats before then…
5 years ago
The deep state is much more pervasive than we even imagined. Project Veritas is peeling back just a corner of it and revealing just how deep the swamp is. It will take much more than firing Rosenstein etc to even scratch the surface…
5 years ago
What’s really bad is Sessions that is trying to destroy Trump. He’s working with the enemy. Once Trump fires him he’ll become a Demorat!
5 years ago
My real concern is one of Donald Trump showing weakness when not firing treacherous schemers and traitors like Rod Rosenstein and an utterly worthless Attorney General like Jeff Sessions. Evident is that this DOJ is a disgusting mess, led by excuses for men who lack the moral fibre of a cockroach and who more than adequately have informed all and sundry that they are at war with the President. Nothing will move forward while such ‘men’ remain in charge, so why does the President hesitate?
5 years ago
…”Rosenstein proposed secretly recording conversations” …did he do it? …or not? …any proof?
…discussed the possibility of Cabinet officials invoking the 25th Amendment? …with who?
…”The Times, citing people familiar with the matter” …who are they?
…”Rosenstein made comments to other Justice Department officials in meetings in spring 2017″ …who are they? ……any proof?
…”The allegations are said to be laid out in contemporaneous memos written by then-acting FBI director Andrew McCabe, who was fired by the Justice Department” …revenge act from a fired traitor? …memos? …written when? …are proof?
Lol, why does everyone suddenly think the N Y Times has “credibility” with this shaky story?
5 years ago
Time for him to go. Things you say “in jest” are things you would like to do, but are afraid to move forward, and the excuse was always going to be “I wasn’t serious.” Was that a Freudian Slip, or a suggestion? Either way, this is troubling.
5 years ago
When it comes to rosenstein he’s a pure snake in the grass. I son’t understand why he hasnnnt been fired. Ht’s a liar & a cheat.
5 years ago
This creep needs to be locked up
5 years ago
The FBI is a law unto itself.
5 years ago
We already know Rosenstein is a coup plotter against our duly elected president.
Trump is far too savvy to take this phony bait from the NYT.
This “breaking news” is another self-inculpating piece of disinformation and initiation of circular evidence in the mode of the corrupt dirty dossier and seditious Russia investigation of our media-deep state globalist cabal.
So the lowly, seditious, immigrant mouthpiece NYT can spend the next 45 days propagandizing about Trump being a dictator, even though Trump has been meticulous in his observance of his Constitutionally enumerated powers.
Like all mainstream media, the NYT is infested with immigrants, who see nothing but their own experiences as subjects and collaborators — their only two options in the sh*t hole countries they come from.
Like Mueller, Clinton, Comey, obama, etc, etc, etc, Rosenstein will face justice soon enough.
VOTE on November 6.
5 years ago
OK enough already! Forget Democracy. Its for chumps!! Trump must seize complete power AS SOON AS POSSIBLE by any means at his tremendous disposal. The Deep State has shown it’s blue colors. Democracy can’t work when there is treason everywhere in dark places. The swamp must be purged. Democracy has failed. Suspend the November elections and start all over once Trump and his cabal of best people have sorted things out what’s best for THE PEOPLE.
5 years ago
If the comment to wire were made, even sarcastically, says something about the culture at the FBI and DOJ. And that is that it must be anti-Trump.
If Rosenstein said it sarcadtically in application to himself, ie “maybe I should wear a wire to record Trump”, then this shows an anti-trump environment because how else would such a comment even arise.
Whereas if the comment was a response by an anti-Trump person, then his remark might be more like, “what do they want me to do… wear a wire?”
It sounds like the former was stated. If so, it probably wasn’t stated sarcastically and explains why Mueller is still investigating Trump given the fact, which he must have known, that the whole basis for the investigation was and still is a hoax.
