BIG FAT LIES: COVID doctors challenge CDC’s rules on cause of death, numbers are beng inflated

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Why jack up the numbers? Because they are, in reality, much lower. And they need bigger numbers to maintain totalitarian control.

This is the biggest, most destructive hoax in world history.

Coronavirus Death Numbers Are A Complete Fraud

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Doctors are doing their own research in hopes of getting more accurate information.By: JTN, May 8, 2020:

Frontline COVID-19 doctors this week have gone public saying they feel pressured to show COVID-19 as cause-of-death on certificates of patients suspected of having the virus when they also have had underlying medical conditions.

Dr. Jonathan Fishbein, a clinical researcher, says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease and the World Health Organization have issued “vague if not misguided recommendations that unfortunately have been adopted by national, state and local leaders.”

“It is absolutely critical that we have accurate data to support decision-makers,” he also told Just the News. “If the data in our assessments included patients who have not definitively tested positive for COVID-19, that provides misleading information to policy-makers.

In cases of pandemics or epidemics, world organizations set the cause-of-death guidelines to create a uniformity among countries and related, international health agencies.

It is not unusual for the CDC, in conjunction with WHO, to add new codes when a new disease appears.

But it is unusual when there is a new disease and a patient dies and the cause of their death may be their underlying condition like diabetes or congestive heart failure and the doctors are pressured to report the cause of death as COVID-19 instead.

Such reporting could result in inaccurately inflating the number of virus-related deaths and hurt those drafting public health policy for future pandemics or epidemics.

On March 4, Steven Schwartz, director of Vital Statistics at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics released an Alert to hospital administrators to inform them that formal guidance was forthcoming to death certificate certifiers, but that in the meantime, “Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.”

On March 24, 2020, Schwartz sent out a second Alert addressing the World Health Organization’s new International Classification of Diseases.

‘“The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID19 being the underlying cause more often than not,” the report in part states.

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death,” Schwartz also wrote. “If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”

“Distinguishing between those nuances is crucial for accurate analysis and appropriately responding to the crisis,” Fishbein said.

Fishbein and his colleagues have in response created an independent survey to collect evidence to evaluate risk factors and treatments for COVID-19, with the expectation of more accurately recording causes of death.

The reporting tool was developed by Veracuity and the survey is being conducted in partnership with the Alliance for Clinical Research Excellence and Safety (ACRES).

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spfoam1
spfoam1
3 years ago

A collective behind this virus (that does murder old people) controls most of the world through a combination of central banks controlling currency, and control of energy, and control of politics, and control of media and control of education, and control of big business….

The body count was supposed to be worse from the start, and that was supposed to get them voting by mail across the nation. That didn’t work, so they have to continue inflating numbers and acting like (D)ictators to justify voting by mail in critical states.

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
3 years ago

Epidemic data is always full of baloney, especially mortality numbers. Usually countries minimize mortality estimates, because of shameful incompetence, or to conceal strategic vulnerability. [E.g., China and Russia right now]

So, deliberate over-counting is unusual, and it is also a sign of deliberate malfeasance. You can’t fix a problem you don’t understand, so wrecking the data will also wreck the recovery.

Trump is literally a miracle of epidemiology, because he is the first in history to attack a virus like a war, with detailed damage assessments, medical armies, strategic planning, careful tactics, and mobilizing the whole country for the fight. Mostly in history, people just died, and kept dying until the dying stopped on its own. Governments did little. E.g. Spanish flu 1918 wasn’t defeated, it just went away on its own, mortality = 30 to 100 million [with scholars still bickering about those numbers].

BUT WE MUST FIX THOSE DATA, NOW.

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
3 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

The main source of the Pamela Geller searches are still in D.C.:comment image https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%207-d&geo=US&q=Pamela%20Geller,NYPD%20union
If Geller’s lawsuit succeeds, all US districts could be sued, and be forced to ease the lock-downs. [Click on the image to enlarge, and more at the link]

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  DemocracyRules

It’s another way to take Trump down. Over comng his success with our economy is being accomplished through this. I’m not sure but it is sounding like we are worse off now than under Obama.

DemocracyRules
DemocracyRules
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Yes I agree, and we must always assume that tyrants will try to grab all the power anb money whenever they can. They never relent. But an opposite force is appearing, namely Trump’s growing reputation that he will challenge all perils with valor and integrity. Maybe a bit mouthy, but still, integrity. And thus we see more independent voters supporting Trump than ever before. Who cares if we ‘like’ our leaders? If they fight constantly to make our lives better, then that is enough. And Trump does that.

dingo
dingo
3 years ago

“critical that we have accurate data to support decision-makers,”
Silly wabbit
Facts aw fo kids

gaz thewoodsman
gaz thewoodsman
3 years ago

That is well and good, but what is to prevent the unscrupulous from entering fictitious data? From what I have read, a covid +ve patient = $13k to the medical health provider, a ventilated covid patient = $39k and a covid recorded death = $36k. One report had a doctor stating that the ethical “one-size-does-no- fit-all” approach, and refusal to simply drug or vaccinate patients, has lost them $1m pa worth of incentives from Pharmaceuticals.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

NO ripping people off and lying to them is not

It’s pure capitalism.

It’s called fraud and dishonest.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

NO ripping people off and lying to them is not

It’s pure capitalism.

It’s called fraud and dishonest.

ClubaLeftist2
ClubaLeftist2
3 years ago

All parties involved – hospitals, state governments – are incentivized monetarily to overstate the cases. The states are further incentivized to come up with a big number so they can then more easily pander to the federal govt for a bailout. Additionally, for pure political reasons the blue states are incentivized to keep the hoax going.

Mark III
Mark III
3 years ago
Reply to  ClubaLeftist2

Bingo.

Suresh
Suresh
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark III

irs about creating fear psychosis to then push their “vaccine:/drug that are unproven or not known to work. Just like the flu “shot” that every kid gets for :”free” paid by govt funds!

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  Suresh

This is big for the medical mafia of which Fauci and Birx are members. Fauci says we can expect to see a resurgence in the fall. Wonder what they are planning. I think we should all just start hugging each other and tell them to go to hell.

Symniac Brimnehole
Symniac Brimnehole
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

My opinion on the resurgence; we have been wearing masks, avoiding people and staying in our homes…this has weakened our immune systems, all of us. When we are ‘allowed'(smdh) to go back to life, we will catch everything that is floating around out there, and since our immunity is lowered, the effects will be magnified. Personally, I have tried to lead a somewhat normal lifestyle in effort to keep my immune system operating properly.

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago

I absolutely agree with you. As I heard the other day, you can’t achieve “herd immunity” by masking or keeping the herd at home. You protect the ones who are really vulnerable and let people use their own sense to stay healthy and considerate of others. I am in my late 60’s, take high quality supplements, exercise, get fresh air and sunshine, and put on a mask 2-3 times as required. I am seeing people drive around wearing a mask. It’s as if they are imprisoning themselves.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

Right, like Cuomo protected people in NY nursing homes!! He should be drawn and quartered for what he did!!

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

It’s outright criminal. I call it 1st degree murder.

Mark Huber
Mark Huber
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

No, the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. I recommend hangings.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

In cesspool NJ it is mandated. If you go food shopping aisles have been rearranged as arrowed ONE WAY aisles. It’s ALL self scanning for check out and outside if there is a line, people waiting have designated standing spots to wait on. It’s crazy!

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

I’ll be 78 in a bit less than 2 weeks, and I take LOTS of vitamin and mineral supplements, get plenty of exercise, but will never wear a mask. Not EVER. And yes, people ARE imprisoning themselves! I’ve put signs on the front & back of my shirt and walked up and down the street down town to get people’s attention, and yes, they’re wearing masks INSIDE their cars with the windows up! It’s insane!! SHEEPLE so willing to give up their Constitutional RIGHTS, even GOD-GIVEN rights! But I’m not willing!! Even if I go down fighting. I’m a Patriot, not unlike the first Patriots who framed our country!

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

You are a wonderful person and a true patriot. In case I miss your birthday, I’d like to wish you the best one ever!

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Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Very kind, thank you, Felix 🙂

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago

Exactly, that’s why I’ve done NONE of that! I spend as much time in grocery stores, and outside, as I can and I NEVER wear a mask!! I see fools driving around in their cars with the windows up, wearing masks!!

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

How come grocery store cashiers aren’t flopping over dead?
I know you know the answer to this… I’m just being obnxious as usual.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Some are getting sick in their own homes with their own families, in spite of taking PUBLIC precautions. This while thing is geared at destroying the economy so Trump won’t be reeelected. And he is the one hwo should have KNOWN it!! But instead, he has surrounded himself with far left advisers who are telling him all the wrong things! That says a LOT about his judgment or lack there of!

Don T
Don T
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

President Trump’s definitely the right man at the right time to be leading the hurting US. After having said that, though, one can only wonder about some of the decisions he makes. Who does he listen to when appointing key personnel to his cabinet or does he make all the decisions himself?

Most readers of websites like Geller Report knew almost immediately that Leftists Drs. Fauci and Birx hired by the White House had questionable histories when it came to predicting the course any given disease would take; they were wrong most of the time. Their COVID-19 facts and figures appear to be off as well. Everybody in cyber world were wise to the two charlatans except, for some unknown reasons, the Great Trump himself. Now why would that be?. . .

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  Don T

The most frightening thing is that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner is his CLOSEST advisor!! He’s the man who pressured Congress to pass the USMCA bill, which Trump signed without reading! APPALLING BILL and it makes NAFTA look like a kid’s board game!!

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

Here we disagree. USMCA is good for our country. Jared just bugged Trump to make a deal there. Jared is an idiot.

Trump knows what he signed and made sure Mexico helped us with our southern border and closed up the loopholes under NAFTA. NAFTA gave it all away. I remain hopeful Trump sends Javanka packing soon!

You might want to visit The Conservatve Treehouse for better information on USMCA. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Felix, with all due respect, you wouldn’t feel that way if you had read the pages of it that I’ve read. And New American has discussed it at great length. They’ve also posted some of those damning pages on their site and in their magazine. It’s HORRIFIC and Kushner is responsible for it because he persuaded Pelosi into passing that bill and she WOULDN’T have done so without being allowed to put her own devastating pages into it!! She is out to destroy Trump and EVERYONE knows that (except possibly you?). The USMCA DESTROYS American Sovereignty. You should look into it rather than trying to dismiss it without knowledge of what yo’re dismissing.

Just scroll thru NEW AMERICAN and pick a few articles on the subject … then get back to me 🙂

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  Don T

These people are so entrenched. I doubt that he had reason initially to believe they were not legitimate. Now he knows and is trying to clean up the mess. I don’t believe he knew and I sure didn’t know, how deep and pervasive the globalist, establishment swamp is.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

There WON’T be a resurgence in the fall, unless it’s PLANTED. Summer sun will pretty much kill it off. That’s why I get so angry that morons like the Calif. governor are closing beaches! INSANE!! People NEED to be outside in the sun now!!

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

I’m not worried about it. But I do bear in mind that Bill Gates, vaccine king, is also a major funder of our almost daily “solar spraying” that is designed to limit immune helper Vitamin D and photosynthesis for plant growth. The same people who want 90% of people deleted are constantly spraying all kinds of heavy metals and other bad stuff over the earth. And Americans just keep focused on their little phone screens and don’t notice what is going on above their heads.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

And our government is allowing that aerosol to be sprayed on us!! That says all I need to know about people who are OUR EMPLOYEES!!

I watched a 2-hour scientific symposium about that spraying. It’s been going on for just over 10 years and it’s putting aluminum and other destructive metals and organisms into our soili and our government is ALLOWING it, believing that fuel additive will help jet engines run longer and smoother. Scientists were VERY alarmed when they started testing the soil each year and saw those levels steadily rise. They even found the poison in the snow on top of Mt. Shasta in N. California, so they KNEW it wasn’t a normally occurring substance!

Now we KNOW the truth, yet NOBODY is attempting to STOP the poison!! N.O.B.O.D.Y. !! If you think eating organic foods will protect you from the poison, you’re wrong, unless those organic foods are grown inside green houses that are protected from the poison!! But if they’re grown outside, they’re wide open to it!

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

We NEVER eat over priced organic food either.
Shhhh…. they also spray it with insecticides and LIE about it.
For the few that may not do this is where you hear about recalls for
salmonella, ecoli etc..

Even the LEFTIST NYT admits it!
Recalls of Organic Food on the Rise, Report Says
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/business/recalls-of-organic-food-on-the-rise-report-says.html

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

I’m not concerned about Organics, my post was regarding government spraying POISON into our soil all over America.

And what you see across the skies are CHEM TRAILS. Contraiils evaporate and disappear within 15 to 30 secons, Chem trails last for a far longer time, turn into aerosol and drift down into the soil. Most of it is heavy metal and aluminum, that has been watched, tested and has raised BIG alarm in the science community

jbaviera
jbaviera
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

If you believe that, then they’ve been spraying for well over 50 years.

Strider73
Strider73
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

When Windows is as resistant to viruses, spyware and malware as MacOS or Linux, then Gates can bloviate about biological pathogens. Until then, he has all the credibility of a CNN propagandist reporter.

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

Do the perps of the “solar spraying” have immunity?

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

Theyr’e inside planes, ted! Sheesh! And no, they don’t, they’re eating the same poisoned food everyone else is having to eat.

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

If this conspiracy theory is true, which I seriously doubt, are the perps suicidal? It seems very unlikely.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

Scientists are VERY alarmed at what they’ve seen. They started taking soil samples over 10 years ago and then yearly. They saw how the samples changed and looked more and more toxic each year. They even found the poison (mostly aluminum) in the snow on top of Mt. Shasta in N. Calif. It wasn’t in soil, so they KNEW it came from aerosol drifting from jet plane chemtrails.

But the GOOD news is that Yeshua/Jesus is coming for His Bride VERY soon!! Those who don’t know Him, will be left here to deal with all that is to come.

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

Aluminum is not a deadly poison. The chemtrail, as well haalo influence are totally insane and impossible conspiracy theories. There’s no real science behind them. I know. Im a real scientist, (Engineer, where science gets down to work). These conspiracy theories are totally junk science.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

It has long been known that aluminum is the main substance that can cause Alzheimer’s. And it’s been building in the soil for over a decade, along with the other poisons they discovered that they believe got into the soil by aerosol from the chemtrails. Your quarell isn’t with me, little man, it’s with the large group of scientists who have been studying it. You can back off now. 🙂

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

How is it “building in the soil”?

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

Ask the scientists. I’m not one of them. Apparently it builds up over time, like anything that is sifted continually down to a surface. So many parts per square inch or whatever measurement they take. All I know is that they were certain where it came from and were extremely alarmed. You can probably do a web search if you’re interested. But if you think it’s just a conspiracy theory, why not just move on and forget about it and let the adults in the room keep watch. Just saying . . .

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

This is true! They know trees are being killed by this stuff in heavily sprayed areas. Aluminum especially is becoming very concentrated in our soil and water. The other nasty, carcinogenic, and neurologically damaging metals are showing up too. This is damaging our food supply, our bodies, and our animals.

Bullies, which these people are, will continue to bully until stopped. It amazes me that the American sheeple will not get off their asses, and say NO!

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

Who’s paying the supposed pilots? How can an airplane carry enough material to make a “chemtrail” that is hundreds of miles long? This conspiracy theory is utter nonsense.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

It’s mixed into the jet fuel. There’s a possibility government believes it makes the jet engines run smoother and longer. It isn’t a conspiracy. I saw a 2 hour scientific symposium about it. Keep doubting little man, facts are about to smack you really hard. :- I’m far from the only one who knows about all this. How sad you have yet to catch up…

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

Junk science is not science.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

Right. In a very LARGE segment of our scientific community.

I get it… you’re a doubting thomas and choose to remain a reality skeptic. Good on ya!! Consider yourself patted on the head, little man!

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

Junk science is your mantra. Pitiful.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

Actually, my work was as a florist for many years. I’m not into any sort of junk at all, just beautiful things . . . and again, rather than insult my intelligence, just keep your doubts to yourself and move on. I won’t answer another one of your tweeks, but I might block you if I get annoyed, that’s always an option… Little men with low I.Q.’s have always annoyed me…

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

So I have no right to free speech if I disagree with your conspiracy theories?

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

I am starting to wonder if you are just a paid troll put here to try to refute the truth that is spoken on this site. 5-6 years ago I was often accused of being a conspiracy theorist about this even when I would tell someone to look at the sky that was being painted above their head. It is hard for humans to accept some things. That is natural. But now I notice that it has become common knowledge that weather warfare is being perpetrated against us. You are either to stubborn to even bother research this, or a paid disinformation agent. You are at the wrong place. People here aren’t stupid.

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

The UN publicly came out just about 6 months ago saying they wanted to expand their “solar dimming” agenda further over the world. This is not a secret or a conspiracy theory. I don’t know where you live, but it is not uncommon at all to see those jets spout this crap out of their 2 nozzles. Unlike a jet’s contrail, which is quickly dissipating water vapor, you can see the nozzles leave 2 thin trails that start expanding immediately. Within about 15 minutes they spread into one fat line. Normally you see the jet(s) crisscrossing in the sky. Sometimes it looks almost like a checkerboard. There will be numerous lines in the sky. After a few hours the formerly blue sky will be an ugly, whitish mess. I like to take 5-6 mile long walks in the country as often as I can and have numerous photos of chem trails from the moment they start spraying until the sky is full of big fat lines. Aluminum, lithium, sometimes strontium, barium are some of the metals sprayed in a base of coal dust. These are jets filled with barrels of the product and sprayed out of nozzles in the rear. You can see photos of the jets online.

I believe at least some of this is done by Air Force pilots. The Air Force is the most New World Order oriented part of our military, not that I would accuse all of them as being evil. That certainly would not be true.

It is my understanding that this agenda is only costing about $5-6 billion a year to prosecute. I don’t know how it could be done so inexpensively. This is all about the global warming hoax.

PAUL K
PAUL K
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

Florida done everything right and their numbers are low. They protected the Nursing Home in the beginning and now their beaches are open – for people to get out in the sunshine. Also, South Carolina has beaches that are open for the sunshine. Being out in the open does not spread this virus.

Strider73
Strider73
3 years ago
Reply to  PAUL K

Correct, but IMHO the entire state should not have been locked down. Just three counties (Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade) account for ~60% of all cases. At the time of the order, 11 counties had zero cases and 16 others had <10. Restrictions should have been on a county-by-county basis, subject to change as the numbers changed.

Isabellathecrusader
Isabellathecrusader
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

I’d prefer to see Fauci in chains this fall.

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago

Fauci, Comey, and several others. I believe Trump’s chances for re-election will be enhanced much further if the American people finally see the two-tiered injustice system being exposed and destroyed.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago

Birx too! She’s STILL on Trump’s virus team! WTH!!

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  Suresh

I have never had a flu shot. Too many people I have known seem to get the flu a few weeks later. I have had it once in the last 30 years.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

Ditto. My sister, who never had Chicken Pox, got a vaccination for shingles, then GOT shingles a few weeks later!! Now the poison is in her body and she can get shingles again and again!

PAUL K
PAUL K
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

That seems like that should have never happened. The Shingles vaccine is not a live virus at all. And if she was tested for never having the Chicken Pox — she didn’t need any shingles shot. I had Chicken Pox and i’ve had 2 shingles shots with no problems. Something is wrong with her getting shingles – she should talk to her doctor again. Can’t understand it.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  PAUL K

You speak with logic. Doctors don’t practice logic. She was talked into the shingles vaccine due to her age. There are a LOT of docs in this country who graduated at the bottom half of their class. They aren’t hard to find because the majority of them practice on the elderly. My own primary care is no different. She isn’t even a doctor, she’s a nurse practitioner. Upper echelon docs are almost impossible to find in rural Oregon cities, because the cities are considered “depressed” by government and thus, the docs are paid less for Medicare patients. Therefore, the good docs go where the area isn’t “depressed” so they can make more $$.

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  PAUL K

Different people react to medication well or not. I had an adverse reaction to colcrys. Does that mean nobody should be prescribed that medication? NO!

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

We never take any vaccines. We have seen the same thing happen to others. Plus when you are older, it makes no sense to inject yourself with germs as your immune system is declining.

PAUL K
PAUL K
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

I’ve had a flu shot for at least 30 years in a row – and never had the flu.

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  PAUL K

I have a neighbor in his late 80’s who reports the same thing. He never fails to get his flu shot and does not get flu. He relies on it. But I also know a lot of people who get flu soon after the shot. I am not against vaccines per se. I just don’t trust what kind of unhealthy adjuvants could be put in the shot. I think the real issue with flu shots is that their effectiveness is reduced due to the fact that they don’t really know what kind of flu is going to be prevalent at the time they formulate the shots.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

Exhaustive testing shows that 5 years of flu shots leads to Alzheimer’s. The fact that many just keep getting them are truly tempting fate. They’re POISON to the brain!

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

I have read that. It may be suggestive in many cases. My neighbor is 89. He and his wife both eat lots of their own garden vegetables. They are both pretty healthy and definitely do not show any sign of Alzheimer’s disease.

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Dorrie_

BS.

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  tedlv

Suit yourself! LOL!!

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  PAUL K

Same here. I’ve been trolled recently for saying that. The “expert” troll asked me which strain I was vaccinated against. Stupid question!

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  PAUL K

I’ve never had a flu shot and I’ve never had flu!

So there ya are! The difference is that I chose not to allow poison injected into my body.

jbaviera
jbaviera
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

When I was in the AF, I was required to get it every year, for the last 18 of my 20 years in, and got the flu, every year(and not a mild case either). Since retirement, almost 23 years ago, I’ve had the flu, maybe 4 times since.

jbaviera
jbaviera
3 years ago
Reply to  jbaviera

And probably got the third degree when you went to sick call. I did, made sure every time I had my shot record with me too! Pissed off quite a few Dr’s that way.

Dem-Smasher
Dem-Smasher
3 years ago

CDC= Communists for Disease Conspiracies

CARRENO  BARTOX
CARRENO BARTOX
3 years ago
Reply to  Dem-Smasher

COMMUNIST DEMOCRAT COUNCIL

azgal
azgal
3 years ago

cdc trying to keep up the hoax

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  azgal

Dr. Fauci is leading the way sowing seeds of doubt and the he hopes for a resurgence.

Francis
Francis
3 years ago

Another hoax to try to bring down Trump.

☠Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum☠
☠Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum☠
3 years ago

Just another facet to increase the fear to perpetuate an agenda to keep the American citizen captive and generate money for those “treating” this Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus.

I believe it is telling when a “journalist” at a Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus briefing asked President Trump why he is so positive. This! This “journalist” just revealed he relied on the fear generated by the negative, which President Trump was undermining that fear.

Just remember, do not succumb to the fear, for it will leave you vulnerable to these vile REGRESSIVE ILLIBERAL LEFTIST miscreants. Face the fear, get the real facts, then put the fear behind you armed with the real facts.

whammie
whammie
3 years ago

And tag you like cattle… or should I say…SHEOPLE…

Beverly
Beverly
3 years ago

Don’t remember if I posted this here, but this chart certainly does raise questions about the number of COVID-19 deaths. Scroll down to see chart.
https://www citizenfreepress Com/column-3/hmm-how-convenient-check-out-this-death-chart/

Drew the Infidel
Drew the Infidel
3 years ago

This has been a suspicion I have held since the onset of this pandemic. My wife’s uncle, who was in poor health for years and had been dealing with heart issues the past five years, finally died in mid-April.

The hospital had tested him on arrival at the ER and he tested negative for coronavirus. However, the staff told the family they “didn’t trust” the test they had administered, leaving the cause of death hanging. We have yet to hear.

Statistics are like a prostitute, you can do with them just about anything you wish.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

Sorry to hear about that.

It’s horrible how this virus has been exploited too.

Peter WF
Peter WF
3 years ago

Stalin on statistics – A Single Death is a Tragedy; a Million Deaths is a Statistic.
In Britain the virus deaths in aged care homes is not included. Estimates add 10,000.

iprazhm
iprazhm
3 years ago

Statutes, Codes, actual U.S law that make what the CDC and WHO have done to shut down the world using Covid, ILLEGAL. What’s revealed is shocking! Why is the U.S. government allowing them to commit these heinous crimes? This Cartel must be brought down.

Facebook – David Martin was live, April 27 at 1:49 PM · ALL materials are accessible on YouTube at David Martin World under the “Show More” link
https://www.facebook.com/529628186/videos/10158180753708187/

movingwaters
movingwaters
3 years ago

It isn’t just New York. An acquaintance told me last week that her son-in-law, a newly minted doctor, told her that he and many others have been told that they must take one week per month off without pay. Hospitals and clinics are seeing far fewer patients since so many procedures have been forestalled to prepare for the great Covid-19 influx that never really happened. I know someone who had to go to the ER with cardiac symptoms early one morning. There was almost no one there. That never happens. Normally the ER waiting room is full of Democrats who use the ER as their normal health care, and don’t have to pay the bill.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

Also people are not going in for elective surgeries due to fear of the virus.
People now fear going to hospitals because of the virus.

You can always count on ILLEGALS being at an emergency room. They give false names, addresses and get “free” healthcare. This is another reason why our health care costs are so high. Someone has to pay for it! It isn’t “free”. Watch for hospitals to start shutting down. I know in NJ many have shut down because of being over run by illegal aliens not paying for their care.

You will typically see this posted all over the hospital and especially the emergency room. I’ve seen it posted all over in ENGLISH and SPANISH in NJ hospitals. Many can’t speak English.

http://undocumentedpatients.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Its-the-Law.jpg

Dorrie_
Dorrie_
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

That’s true! I had chest pain for 2 days 10 days ago and knew if I went to the hospital, they wouldn’t admit or try to treat me. ONLY those with the virus were being admitted, and the hospital was nearly empty.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago
Reply to  movingwaters

Also people are not going in for elective surgeries due to fear of the virus.
People now fear going to hospitals because of the virus.

You can always count on ILLEGALS being at an emergency room. They give false names, addresses and get “free” healthcare. This is another reason why our health care costs are so high. Someone has to pay for it! It isn’t “free”. Watch for hospitals to start shutting down. I know in NJ many have shut down because of being over run by illegal aliens not paying for their care.

You will typically see this posted all over the hospital and especially the emergency room. I’ve seen it posted all over in ENGLISH and SPANISH in NJ hospitals. Many can’t speak English.

http://undocumentedpatients.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Its-the-Law.jpg

John Acord
John Acord
3 years ago

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The CCP Virus is not a hoax. It is a deadly, highly infectious disease that has already killed a million people worldwide and will kill many more in the days, weeks, and months to come. It makes no difference whether the CCP created the virus or it was a lab accident because the CCP weaponized the virus from the beginning with the objective of establishing CCP world hegemony. It deliberately allowed tens of thousands of infected carriers to travel to Europe and the US and when Trump called for an end to this travel its vast propaganda machine and fellow-travelers called him a racist and xenophobe. It purchased and hoarded all existing PPE supplies worldwide to sell back to the victims at exorbitant prices. Knowing that the news of the virus would cause a world-wide sell-off of the securities markets its vast army of agents including networks controlled by Soros, Bloomberg reaped trillions of dollars in profits by shorting the markets. This inside information of the devastation of the CCP Virus resulted in huge gains in the trillions of dollars with much of it invested in the gold and big pharma. Communist China has unleashed the most horrific WMD ever devised by man and accelerated its impact by devastating our economies and at the same time reaping huge gains. Wha is being done to counter this attack? To date, NOTHING at all.

Frantic_human
Frantic_human
3 years ago

In the Governor’s daily press conference, it was stated that Ohio is doing this as well.

Symniac Brimnehole
Symniac Brimnehole
3 years ago
Reply to  Frantic_human

I believe it’s being done by most states.

Frantic_human
Frantic_human
3 years ago

I am getting very tired of being lied to.

Patriotliz
Patriotliz
3 years ago

How does one distinguish the flu from Covid…esp. if no one is documenting the presence of the flu virus as the cause of an acute respiratory illness if only checking for Covid19?

tedlv
tedlv
3 years ago
Reply to  Patriotliz

Please stop making sense!

Leo60
Leo60
3 years ago

Been saying that all along.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

COVID-19 death numbers are meaningless!

Beef Supreme
Beef Supreme
3 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

They are merely Communist Party propaganda.

felix1999
felix1999
3 years ago

Trump was right…..it helps!

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE HAS ABOUT
90% CHANCE OF HELPING COVID-19 PATIENTS –

May 7, 2020 by Donna Garner Education Policy Commentator EducationViews.org

ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS & SURGEONS
4.28.20 — Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

“Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients”

Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients
In a letter to Gov. Doug Ducey of Arizona, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) presents a frequently updated table of studies that report results of treating COVID-19 with the anti-malaria drugs chloroquine (CQ) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ, Plaquenil®).

To date, the total number of reported patients treated with HCQ, with or without zinc and the widely used antibiotic azithromycin, is 2,333, writes AAPS, in observational data from China, France, South Korea, Algeria, and the U.S. Of these, 2,137 or 91.6 percent improved clinically. There were 63 deaths, all but 11 in a single retrospective report from the Veterans Administration where the patients were severely ill.

The antiviral properties of these drugs have been studied since 2003. Particularly when combined with zinc, they hinder viral entry into cells and inhibit replication. They may also prevent overreaction by the immune system, which causes the cytokine storm responsible for much of the damage in severe cases, explains AAPS. HCQ is often very helpful in treating autoimmune diseases such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

Additional benefits shown in some studies, AAPS states, is to decrease the number of days when a patient is contagious, reduce the need for ventilators, and shorten the time to clinical recovery.

Peer-reviewed studies published from January through April 20, 2020, provide clear and convincing evidence that HCQ may be beneficial in COVID-19, especially when used early, states AAPS. Unfortunately, although it is perfectly legal to prescribe drugs for new indications not on the label, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has recommended that CQ and HCQ should be used for COVID-19 only in hospitalized patients in the setting of a clinical study if available. Most states are making it difficult for physicians to prescribe or pharmacists to dispense these medications.

As the letter to Gov. Ducey notes, “Many nations, including Turkey and India, are protecting medical workers and contacts of infected persons prophylactically. According to worldometers.info, deaths per million persons from COVID-19 as of Apr 27 are 167 in the U.S., 33 in Turkey, and 0.6 in India.”

After Morocco and Algeria began using HCQ, a trend break and sharp reduction in their COVID-19 case fatality rate occurred.

Vaccines and results of randomized double-blind controlled trials of new drugs are at best months away. But patients are dying now, while affordable, long-used drugs would be available except for government restrictions, AAPS states.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has represented physicians of all specialties in all states since 1943. The AAPS motto is omnia pro aegroto, meaning everything for the patient.

https://www.educationviews.org/hydroxychloroquine-has-about-90-chance-of-helping-covid-19-patients/

KenM
KenM
3 years ago

What about the death rates of tuberculosis, pneumonia, flu? Should not be difficult to quantify those and there are decades of records to check and compare these rates. If those rate went down significantly during this crisis a lot of questions need to be asked.

Roland
Roland
3 years ago

Why the surprise? The government lies to us about everything. The difference now is that the press used to watch the government for any misdeeds but now they are contributors to the lies

Isabellathecrusader
Isabellathecrusader
3 years ago

My daughter is a nurse at a major hospital near D.C. The first couple of weeks, when we were all supposed to die, she was sent home twice because the hospital was empty. The number of Covid patients has since risen but I asked her what the average age of the people dying from it is and after thinking for a moment she said mid-50’s and older. I asked her how many people died from it and she said, “They won’t tell us. We’re NOT ALLOWED TO KNOW.”

I refuse to wear a mask. I no longer shop at Costco because they won’t let you in without one. Two months after this started and while it is winding down in Virginia we are all of a sudden required to wear a mask? Screw that. My money’s still good at Lidl’s and Food Lion.

ohio granny
ohio granny
3 years ago

I agree. I refuse to patronize any place that requires me to wear a mask. I live in Ohio.

Isabellathecrusader
Isabellathecrusader
3 years ago
Reply to  ohio granny

I get too angry. I’m waiting for someone to say something and then I will ask them why Wuhan was shut for 76 days but the rest of China only 16 days and the U.S. 55+ days? Huh? Answer me that, Kimosabi.

Cauc-Asian Patriot
Cauc-Asian Patriot
3 years ago

FACT IS COVID 19 WAS A VACCINE EXPERIMENT THAT WENT WRONG AND I BELIEVE WAS PERPETRATED WIDELY AT MORE THAN ONE LOCATION IN CHINA BUT MOSTLY IN WUHAN THAT HAD A THRIVING COMMERCIAL CULTURE WHERE FOLKS TRAVELED AROUND BY A SCIENTICIF GROUP LED AN ETHNIC MUSLIM SCIENTIST IN CHINA WHO WANTED TO PUNISH THE HAN CHINESE ETHNICS FOR HOW THEY WERE SUCCEEDING AT BEATING UP THE ISLAMIC ETHNIC GROUP! THE MAOIST GOVERNMENT OF CHINA DID ALL IT COULD TO HELP WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A NATIONAL/REGIONAL EPIDEMIC GROW BY ITS INHERENT POLICIES THAT MIRROR JUST WHAT THE GEORGE SOROS-IAN GLOBALIST BANKING CLIQUE WANT A GLOBAL GOVERNMENT TO EMULATE! THE MAOISTS THOUGHT THE EPIDEMIC WOULD JUST CUT INTO THEIR ELDERLY POPULATION AND AS HISTORIC LIARS AND DENIERS JUST LET IT GROW AND KEPT HIDING IT! http://WWW.PLANDEMICMOVIE.COM WILL POINT YOU TO THE TRUTH! FACT IS THE GLOBALISTS AND THEIR GOONS ARE IN EVERY ESTABLISHMENT OF HUMAN ACTIVITY IN ALL ADVANCED COUNTRIES AND INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTES AND PUNISH ANYBODY WHO DOESN’T TOE THEIR PARTY LINE FOR THEIR ACTIVITY!
THE GLOBALISTS ARE OPPOSED TO NATURAL HEALTH AND DIVINITY ORIENTED INSTITUTES AS THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THE POTENTIAL OF A BEING FROM WITHOUT WITH A SUPERIOR ETHICAL SYSTEM WON’T MAKE GOOD SLAVES ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THEIR POWER FROM WITHIN AND SELF-DIGNITY! PERHAPS THAT IS WHY THEY SUPPORT THE JIHADIS AS THESE CRAZIES MARCH ALONG TO A PARTY LINE BETTER THAN ANYBODY INCLUDING THOSE BROUGHT UP IN THE MARXIST PARADIGM WHO SAW THROUGH IT AND QUIT BELIEVING IN IT IN DROVES OUT OF A NATIONALISTIC LOVE OF THEIR CULTURE SUCH AS THE EURO-ASIAN SLAVS OF EASTERN EUROPE! THEY NEVER QUIT BELIEVING IN IT EITHER AS PAM GELLER’S RAMADAM BOMBATHON STATISTICS SHOW EVEN DURING A HEALTH PANDEMIC!
SUPER SUMMER TO ALL RIGHTISTS AND GOOD, CLEAN AIR WILL HELP YOU IF YOU AREN’T CONTAGIOUSLY ILL! GET OUT, STAY FIT AND KEEP YOURSELF HEALTHY!

jerrys
jerrys
3 years ago

I would wager that a high percentage of the virus deaths had damaged immune systems from age, illness, HIV drugs etc. Its obvious that fear has been used to damage the economy with hopes it will cover up the voting fraud against President Trump. What happens to people who have been voted into political positions of power when they have no expertise except self love. They suddenly think they are Cesar or a king. One common characteristic is sudden wealth. We need to prosecute, jail and even execute these criminals.

Mathew M
Mathew M
3 years ago

DON’T BECOME COMPLACENT TO THIS MIND GAME IT’S: “THE WUHAN CHINA VIRUS”

Mathew M
Mathew M
3 years ago

George Soros, Don’t think for one minute his hands are clean in this China / Democrat WHO plot in their evel attempt to garner your vote. Don’t let it Happen We the People of our forebears and Constitution
“Are the NEW NORMAL”

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