[ April 19, 2024 ]
Joseph D. Jones (left) and Edward Schimenti caught on camera. Prosecutors blurred the source’s face. U.S. District Court filing
More convert “misunderstanders” of Islam. Why is it so many millions of Muslims and converts to Islam “misunderstand” Islam in exactly this same way?
“Drench that land with they, they blood.” “I want to see blood flowing, whatever way,” They talked about how, under Islamic law, they could put gay people “on top of Sears Tower and we drop you,”
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The Democrats call this entrapment.
Two suburban men guilty of providing support to Islamic State
By Jon Seidel, Chicago Sun Times, June 20, 2019:
The FBI descended on their north suburban home in a raid two years ago that began with a “boom,” neighbors said.
Then, the feds unveiled a 77-page criminal complaint in April 2017 that accused Joseph D. Jones and Edward Schimenti of sharing gruesome Islamic State videos online, fantasizing about the ISIS flag “on top of the White House” and, crucially, collecting cellphones they thought could be used as detonators by terrorists overseas.
Now, the 37-year-old Zion men have been found guilty of a conspiracy to provide material support to the Islamic State. A jury convicted them Thursday after more than a day and a half of deliberations, ending their roughly three-week trial.
The jury also found Schimenti guilty of lying to the FBI about a matter involving international terrorism. Both men face significant prison time at sentencing hearings that have not been scheduled.
Schimenti and Jones looked sullen after U.S. District Judge Andrea Wood read the verdict Thursday afternoon. Jones’ lawyer, Patrick Boyle, later told reporters he was disappointed. It’s rare for a terrorism case to go to trial at the Dirksen Federal Courthouse. And in the lead-up to this one, defense attorneys convinced the judge they should be allowed to present an entrapment defense to the jury.
The investigation of Schimenti and Jones lasted a year and a half, and it involved several law enforcement agents working undercover, records show. Their attorneys said they never “took any affirmative steps” to help the terrorist group until a federal confidential informant got involved.
“They never researched on their computers how to make explosives, or how cell phones can work as detonators,” the lawyers argued.
Prosecutors said Jones shared Islamic State videos that depicted the deaths of people who were beheaded by a child soldier, drowned in a cage, and blown up by a rocket-propelled grenade while locked inside a vehicle. Another video demonstrated various ways to stab someone. It was titled, “Some of the Deadly Stabbing Ways: Do not Forget to Poison the Knife.”
Still, their lawyers argued, “this is all protected speech, [no] matter how morally objectionable it may seem. Supporting distasteful, objectionably horrible groups is in and of itself not a crime. In fact, it is protected by the Constitution.”
Schimenti crossed paths with one of the FBI’s confidential informants in November 2016, records show. He was led to believe the man was from Iraq and had a brother in ISIS. Schimenti told him he supported ISIS and, when the man said he wanted to return to the Middle East to fight for the group, Schimenti introduced him to Jones.
Schimenti also met the man at a gym for physical training exercises, records show. There, Schimenti told the man about ISIS videos and how their fighters trained hard, even “jumping through fire.” He told the man, “inshallah [God willing] the brothers will just have me be the one to cut the neck.”
Ultimately, Schimenti and Jones helped that man collect cellphones they thought would be used as detonators, introduced him to an undercover fed they believed would get him overseas, and then drove the man to O’Hare Airport to begin his journey on April 7, 2017.
Schimenti allegedly told the man to “drench that land with they, they blood.”
During the investigation, an undercover fed asked Jones if he ever thought about joining ISIS. Jones replied, “every night and day,” court records show. Schimenti also fantasized about how, under Islamic law, they could put gay people “on top of Sears Tower and we drop you,” according to the feds.
“I want to see blood flowing, whatever way,” Schimenti said.
The criminal complaint also contained photos of the men posing with the ISIS flag, including at Illinois Beach State Park in Zion.
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41 Comments
4 years ago
Once you instill the idea (originating in Islam) of killing the ‘Other’ (non-Muslims, gays, women, etc) in a group of people then those ideas will manifest themselves in reality one way or another. Meaning innocents will continue to be injured and killed by such people.
There are millions of Muslims who think exactly like these two monsters. I think law enforcement is doing a good job but this is just the tip of the iceberg. Islamic terrorism isn’t a fringe element in an otherwise peaceful religion, terrorism is at the heart of Islam.
We need a public debate about this ideology and what to do about it. We should consider detention centers for Muslims if not deportation. Any one of them, man, woman or child could pull off the next terrorist attack and they will like clockwork as they’ve been doing since 9/11 and before.
4 years ago
Reply to
Rick James
No debate. They all need to be shipped to the Muslim countries where they can do this to each other. They need to longer be the responsibility of the people they come to harm.
4 years ago
Reply to
Rick James
All those desert deserters who re ounce Islam Muslim are m2f trans ok. I ve worked with quite a lot of them. They come here for operation and give themselves exotic first names.
4 years ago
Reply to
Rick James
There are millions of Muslims who think exactly like these two monsters.
many in USA………….waiting
while they are your sweet and friendly neighbors and coworkers, doctors and lawyers
all practicing takkiya
4 years ago
Reply to
harriet
4 years ago
They are demonrat voters.
Left/Liberal are also making ISIS / jihadis happy by making beheading fashionable https://tinyurl.com/y7k93bs9
Insane ?
4 years ago
HATE is vital for tyrant Islamists, Socialists, and Democrats
– and all other tyrants
– they must promote hate so they can successfully subjugate the citizenry
– they belittle, demean, and dehumanize their political enemies
– and hate is vital to enable subjugation, victimization
– and genocide
4 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
For ALL tyrants, hate is essential
-“We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.” – Lenin
– hate is a tool that facilitates subjugation
– because hate is used to justify victimization and genocide
– example: Fascists in WWII – hate was followed by victimization
4 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
And in Tyrant Culture, terrorism is just another tool of subjugation:
“We can’t expect to get anywhere unless we resort to terrorism”
– Lenin
4 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
Despite the fact I don’t much like totalitarian, atheist Communism, I’d take Khrushchev’s or Breshnev’s USSR over any islamic “republic” because at least slavery and misogyny aren’t sacralised in Communism.
4 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
So, you would take the lesser evil? I WOULD TAKE NO EVIL AT ALL and would die fighting anyone forcing me to do so.
That’s the problem with most people making comments. They seem to want a COMPROMISE. Isn’t that what started all this garbage and evil in the first place? COMPROMISING WITH THE DEVIL? When governments and their citizens start giving an inch to evil, evil then becomes more powerful than they are and voila! YOU ARE DONE.
I will NEVER compromise with evil. And, I will never accept ISLAM as anything BUT EVIL because it is. If you read America’s history when this nation began, you will find that MUSLIMS were not allowed in this countries because they were so barbaric. Over the many, many years or so, DEMOCRATS and liberals soft-soaped them, making their constituents to believe that Muslims just wanted to live here in peace and allowed them in WITH their policies of compromise with tyrants. Then, Muslims began to run for Govt offices and held positions over our children and community when their ideology was not in support of our U.S. Constitution…..AT ALL!
MUSLIMS HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING IN A FREE COUNTRY, BECAUSE NO MUSLIM IS FREE. THE QURAN IS A BOOK OF EVIL SLAVERY AND NEGATIVE LIBERTIES.
And, if Dems, libs, and Rinos THINK that there are not enough Muslims to destroy our country, they better think again. THEY ARE ALREADY DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY, creating their own communities allowing no one but Muslims in, taking over communities with their own leaders, suing everyone they can to have more control over everything they say and do JUST BECAUSE OUR CONSTITUTION DEMANDS IT OF OUR GOVT.
The problem with all that is this: EVIL IS ALWAYS CLOAKED UNTIL IT IS NOT and that is what is happening all over the world!
MUSLIMS NEED TO LEAVE AMERICA AND AMERICANS NEED TO DEMAND THEY LEAVE, ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR QURAN. And, THAT is not hatred, that is COMMON SENSE. When any ideology is INCOMPATIBLE or in direct opposite of our Bill of Rights and U.S. Constitution, IT NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED like weeds overtaking a beautiful garden.
Just because a Muslim claims to love America and our Constitution, does not mean they are truthful. THEY ARE ALL LIARS FOR ALLAH.
4 years ago
Reply to
SoftwareBabeOHIO
People who love and support Tyrant Culture
– in any form
– are, by definition
– the enemy of the democratic free-enterprise constitutional republic
– and Islamists are 100% Tyrant Culture
– because they seek our subjugation
4 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
Bzzzzzzzzzzztttttttttttttt wrong. Islam is a fundamentally fascist ideology, ergo, all f’ing muslums are fascists.
4 years ago
Reply to
SoftwareBabeOHIO
I can’t disagree w/anything you’ve written. I’d end up in prison in any Communist state anyway.
4 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
Are you opposed to Islam or some mercurial idea of “hate”? Also why do you write your sentences as if they’re points? Try using normal English.
4 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
After over a thousand years of continuous terrorism, ethnic cleansing, persecution of the unbeliever in islum, slavery and genocide you want me to believe in non-islamist muslums? Really? Do unicorns and djinns exist in your world too?
4 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
Hey Muh: Please!
– please leave it alone
– I highly value your comments, and I read them with interest
– your comments are accurate well thought out
– and I would be sad if you bailed on Pamela because of me
– because Pamela needs all the mind muscle she can get
– and she needs us both
4 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
I don’t mind if you and your fellow muslum apologists/sympathizers call me a nazi, just don’t call me a nazist!
4 years ago
Reply to
MuhamMUDTheFakeProphet
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NON-ISLAMIC MUSLIM. They are INFIDELS and worthy of death, according to the Quran.
4 years ago
Reply to
SoftwareBabeOHIO
You’re not kidding the whole idea is ludicrous. It’s as ludicrous in believing in a freedom loving nazi (or maybe nazist).
4 years ago
Reply to
DemocracyRules
That’s why these foreign c*nts hire their own kind and pay cash only. It’s almost always underhand. Sheep’s in wolves clothing. They are Muslim and pretend to be Christian and even go so far as to wear the + cross. Their names are Nathan Adam Maggie george grace Mick at. But always Muslim. They don’t wear those garbage clothes that they wear in the desert. They are pretending to be Italian Greek Mauritius. They even learn the Italian lingo via Babylon. We have to be careful
4 years ago
Reply to
Linda
Linda:
– to a large extent the Spanish Inquisition
– was designed to rid Spain of secret Muslims
– who remained after the reconquista of 1492
– who pretended to be Christian
– and who persisted in acts of violence and terrorism in Spain
4 years ago
Hang them at high noon!!!!!!
4 years ago
Hang them at high noon!!!!!!
4 years ago
What else could it be?
4 years ago
If you hadn’t let them in in the first place then there would be no issues now. You cannot enter in to dialogue with low IQ brainwashed lowlifes.
4 years ago
Reply to
Clem Jackson
Discrimination discrimination they are allergic to the color of my skin boo boo boo boo hoo just like that other black witch Me_again markle half black half white its always racism. What BS. these foreign c×nts always want to make with a white
4 years ago
The left believes conservative Christians are the greatest threat to the world. Sigh.
4 years ago
Reply to
R. Arandas
Conservative Christians ARE a great threat
– a great threat to tyrant socialists, communists, Islamists, Globalists and fascists
– we oppose them all, because they all grab all the power and money
– and subjugate the citizenry
– [Just the way Maduro is doing right now in Venezuela]
– Aristotle, 350 BC ‘Politics’ described this clearly then, and it is still true now
4 years ago
How peaceful!
4 years ago
ENTRAPMENT? What a crock. MUSLIMS, every single one of them, including those who just live here and are not Jihadi, ARE STILL A THREAT just because of their ideology of overtaking the world with Sharia Law on everyone!
THERE SHOULD BE NO MUSLIMS IN AMERICA, IN OUR GOVERNMENT, IN OUR SCHOOLS OR ANYWHERE ELSE!
4 years ago
The enemies within must be purged. Our technology intensive society is very vulnerable to sabotage by these vermin. Since obama they have been planning this. Remember. The attempt to poison our water supply, The attempt to shoot up power transformers, the derailing of trains etc, etc. We train foreign students in our universities on how to make bombs, how to bring down our power and cell systems. Western civilization is on the road to suicide!
4 years ago
Due to the comments of the Mayor of Chicago, she should also be arrested for supporting terrorists.
4 years ago
the really ugly truth about islam in America, is that people who accurately describe it are banned from many if not most ‘conservative’ blog sites.
4 years ago
It’s not just two! Follow it back to their local mosque!
4 years ago
Muslims are the scourge of the earth and should be eliminated.
4 years ago
Want to solve a lot of serious problems? Then post this and get people to share it.
Here’s A Common Sense Test for Religion
A test that ought to be an absolute requirement of every supposed religion to qualify as legitimate: Require adherents to bring or invite their God to “de-cloak” and show himself to everyone and tell people himself what is required of them with no go-betweens to speak for him. In fact, if any of those Gods were real and not just ideas invented by humans and if they were very smart they’d have thought of this solution themselves. If the God’s won’t comply, have the adherents attend a reeducation course about how to distinguish fact from fiction or arrest them for fraud and, in America, don’t allow them to claim protection under the 1st amendment. Anyway, it would certainly prove who the “real” God is and solve a lot of serious questions and problems and it could even bring a lot of badly needed unity.
4 years ago
Reply to
delta4ce1
‘If the God’s won’t comply, have the adherents attend a reeducation
course about how to distinguish fact from fiction or arrest them for
fraud…’
Maybe you would be happier in the atheist paradise state of North Korea.
