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Islamic law is …. anti-human. Anti-life.
Saudi woman ‘barred from marrying man who played musical instrument’
12News Online, October 2, 2018 (thanks to Lookmann):
A Saudi woman has reportedly lost a legal battle to marry the man of her choice after her family objected because he played a musical instrument.
Story continues below advertisementRelatives of the woman, a bank manager, refused to allow her to wed the man, a teacher, saying his oud (lute) playing made them “religiously incompatible”.
A lower court backed that view, and its verdict has now been confirmed at appeal, a lawyer and local media say.
Some people in the conservative Muslim state say music is “haram” (forbidden).
Despite that, Saudi Arabia has a distinctive musical tradition – in which the oud features – and public concerts by Arab and Western artists are permitted.
The case of the bank manager and teacher came to light over the weekend, when Saudi lawyer Abdul Rahman al-Lahim discussed it in a video on Snapchat.
He said a woman from Unaiza, in the Qassim region, had asked him two years ago to file a lawsuit against her brothers because they had refused to give their permission for her to marry a man who “once played the oud and so was not considered religious”.
A court in Qassim had ruled in favour of the woman’s family, he added. The newspaper Okaz cited the judge as saying: “Because the suitor plays a musical instrument he is unsuitable for the woman from a religious point of view.”
An appeals court recently upheld the verdict, making it final.
Mr Lahim said the man had not been given the chance to defend himself before a court, and that the judgements “established serious principles”.
The woman told Okaz that she was still determined to marry the man, who she described as “very pious and with a good reputation”.
She will ask the country’s “highest authorities” – an apparent reference to the royal court – to intervene.
Mr Lahim’s video sparked a fierce debate among Saudis on social media, with some people condemning the authorities for stopping a couple wanting to get married but failing to prevent forced marriages in the kingdom.
Under Saudi Arabia’s guardianship system, adult women must obtain permission from a male guardian – usually a husband, father, brother, or son – to apply for a passport, travel outside the country, study abroad on a government scholarship, get married or even leave prison.
Since May, several women’s rights activists campaigning for the guardianship system to be abolished have been detained as part of an apparent crackdown on dissent.
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17 Comments
5 years ago
Where are all the great works of muslim art and music? To a muslim, music and art is hearing the cries of pain from an infidel as they’re being beheaded and seeing the pattern that the blood flow makes on the ground.
5 years ago
Reply to
Citizen 1949
Yo are so right, Citizen 1949!
Pain and anguish is music to the ears of a Muslim.
What we would consider horror, is a delight to their eyes.
Viewing horror is their visual art and hearing the effects of extreme torment gives them pleasure and makes them feel righteous. How sick is that?
5 years ago
Reply to
Citizen 1949
They come, steal , threaten and ethnically cleanse without violence https://tinyurl.com/y7yhc4dl
you cannot win unless there is organised legal /political pushback
5 years ago
Reply to
Citizen 1949
I think that might be overstepping a bit, Citizen. I’m not acquainted with any great Islamic works, either, but I’m neither Arabic nor Islamic. Never forget, in spite of howls from the ACLU, academia, and various “civil rights” groups, most of us descend from Christian and Western roots. We know great works of Western music because…we’ve heard them.
We haven’t heard much Mid-Eastern music on the whole, Islamic or secular. It does have a rather different typical sound.
Incidentally, we often don’t know of many of the the great composers within Christendom. Oh, we know the names of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, and a few others, sure. We do not often recognize their works, nor the names of Rachmaninoff, Chopin, Palestrina, Victoria, Grieg, or many others.
(Incidentally, I think most Catholics have no idea who Gregory, the Great, ancient Pope might be. Nor do they know about the Chant that he ordered compiled. Most Catholics, if asked to offer Chant during Mass, would ask “What?”. I think most Protestants would likewise be perplexed.)
5 years ago
If Islam takes over there will be no more music. Chanting as long as it reverse their fake Allah will be all that is allowed. It is a dreary world for a Muslim. Images are not allowed in art for them.
Our youngest plays a pedal harp. It is beautiful. When in K-12 she used it at fund raisers for her school, during holidays played at churches and still occasionally plays for weddings. Like other families the clarinet, flute and piano were played by my other kids but this last one had to play the harp. It all started from a poster in her class showing David playing a harp. That was certainly an adventure finding a harp teacher that was good. God loves certain kinds of music.
Gen.4:21
[21] And his brother’s name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
5 years ago
Further evidence that this barbaric ideology masquerading as a religion will serve only to drag civilization down to their level. To those that support them, saying they are just like the rest of us; you are either lying or severely disillusioned.
5 years ago
Anything that requires independent thought or creativity is against islamb. Although they are somewhat creative when it comes to finding reasons to rape, maim, kill , terrorize, execute, and to invent phoney reasons to blame the populace for being islamofauxbic. Let’s face it what do you expect from a country where their best seller is mein kam f . Not exactly top of my reading list.
5 years ago
No big deal. She wants to marry a school teacher. Her brothers won’t allow such. She goes to court. Her brother’s “ruling” is upheld by the court’s ruling. She appeals the decision. The appellate court upheld the original ruling. She isn’t allowed to marry the school teacher. Ain’t moslem jurisprudence grand?
5 years ago
I have to wonder about this. It’s plausible; I’ve heard of many really weird laws. Even so, I’m thinking there’s likely more to this story. Keep in mind, musicians and entertainers here in the US have often possessed rather notorious reputations. Remember the uproar(s) sparked by Guns ‘n Roses, Nirvana, Twisted Sister, Michael Jackson, or Madonna? How about Garth Brooks or Travis Tritt? How about Southerners who play or sing “The Yellow Rose of Texas” or “Dixie”? Music, in itself, doesn’t inherently pose a problem. Music can be used to express offensive ideas though; particular instruments might develop a reputation for being more frequently used to express ignorant or offensive ideas. I suspect those concerns might be almost as much at issue as the concern with a man playing something vaguely alike to a guitar.
5 years ago
Reply to
John Flaherty
Are you serious? This is Saudi we are talking about, comparing that to notorious US rock/pop stars is ridiculous
5 years ago
Reply to
leonore35
Quite serious. I can’t honestly tell from your comment if you aim to critique the Saudis or pop stars. Maybe both? I can easily see this being more a matter of mis-cast culture than a genuine issue of bigotry or bullying. Let’s be sure this conflict genuinely arises because the man has played a musical instrument, not something entirely different which we’re assumed to understand, but don’t.
5 years ago
Reply to
John Flaherty
Islam forbids listening to music, actually, you can search it on Google.
5 years ago
Reply to
R. Arandas
You are welcome to provide appropriate evidence to substantiate that claim. Considering that secular newscasts have shown Mid-Eastern cities when Islamic chant was being broadcast over a loudspeaker, I don’t think you can prove this.
5 years ago
And yet the most famous muslim musician, Yusuf Islam, is praised world wide.
5 years ago
Reply to
Mohammed_Goldberg
Technically, though, it is true that even listening to music is forbidden in Islam. And instrumental music is most haraam of all.
5 years ago
This why I am ‘islamaofauxbic’, because of what this religion makes people do to other people, because religion ‘trumps’ people’s personal feelings desires and wishes, and because Islam is anti freedom and pleasure. The family and the judiciary do not care a jot about this woman’s happiness.
5 years ago
Muslims must lead miserable lives.
