Pulse nightclub jihad massacre survivors sue tech giants over ‘material support’ to ISIS

Ed,

Well, I don’t agree obviously, but I like your response. You’re obviously trying to rationalize and argue the points, which is good if not going to criticize others for being emotional.
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As to excusing the Japanese Empire. I was not referring to the actual amnesty / forgiveness given to the Japanese (all levels from top instigators to war criminals to innocent peasants). I meant that it would be as if we excused them for our naughty words.

We used terrible language, and racist characterizations during the war. My point is that the crimes of the Japanese Empire were still crimes – no matter what we said – in the middle of the ordeal.

As in a heated argument – both sides can hurl unkind and unfair words – and also commit unkind and unfair acts – and the words do not excuse the prior actions before the argument nor the actions during the argument.

And if one side only uses kind and fair words – they may earn brownie points with Santa Claus – whom you do not believe in …

But they likely will convince many folks that the other party – the party doing unkind and unfair actions – has the ‘high moral ground.’

The idea that it is otherwise – that the moral ground remains with the kind and fair speaker is a construct of the West. The idea that the kind and fair speaker wins – regardless of the underlying argument OR the content of what the argument is intended to defend is a Newly concocted perversion of the older Western thought about the rules / tactics of debate.
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“Pamela does inspire terrorist action by radical Islamists.”

Is she responsible for the Pulse Night Club attack? I don’t think so. Certainly she has made herself a target, but so what? We are all targets.
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“what percentage do you think commit terrorist acts?”

Why do you think that number is relevant? I do not hesitate b/c it is a small percentage – I hesitate to give a number b/c I don’t know the number.

All Islamic terrorists justify their attacks by reference to Islam’s ideology and foundational texts. Few Islamic leaders oppose this – for the simple reason that they too become victims.

In other words they take their inspiration from the ideology.

According to this logic: Muslims who reject the attacks incite violence and are responsible for being attacked. That’s also known as blaming the victim.

But setting that aside: Muslims cannot argue with the terrorists on the basis of the basic text – what some would call the ‘plain reading.’

As to percentages – the overwhelming majority of Muslims support the violent interpretation of the text according to various polls. These too can be dismissed though since no one wants to get their head cut off.
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“Do you blame all for the actions of a few.”

In other words: Do you blame all Germans today for the actions of the National Socialists in the past? I assume not.

But we do. And so do you. Germans are held to collective account for the actions of their ancestors, and socialism is not.

All of the examples you offered are specific cases – not one of which was ideologically motivated.

Even the IRA was not acting in response to a particular political ideology. The troubles were about politics, but not necessarily socialism v. communism v. democracy v. a republic. And there were an elements of economic and legal discrimination.

In the case of Islam – we have an ideology that defines me as a pig – and you too btw.

The fact that the ideology does not inspire 1.6 billion Muslims to commit violence is Not Relevant. It does Not Matter.

For example: Not all Nasties committed War Crimes. Does that excuse the Nasties of what they committed?

We have here a consistent misunderstanding – or refusal to understand – the distinction between a people with a culture and a language and history that deserves a deminimus level of respect for its unique attributes – for example the Yanomami – a tribe of the South American rainforest v. an ideology such as the Unabomber Manifesto.

Islam is an ideology – not a race, not a people, not even a government or a corporation. It is an idea to which most of its followers are born – and cannot escape due to particularly and peculiarly unique attributes.

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“she certainly hasn’t told the whole truth” …

Nonsense Ed. This doesn’t even pass the laugh test.

Space Aliens who came to Earth and read nothing but Pioneer Woman http://thepioneerwoman.com/ …

would think the whole planet is a middle class, crime free, trouble free safe space occupied by people who – For Absolutely No Reason At All – were obsessed with relieving the stress of a stress free existence by the consumption of comfort food.

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In court … a witness is not required to provide the ‘whole’ truth and ‘nothing but the truth’ …

If that were required, virtually every witness would go to jail.

That comes from an aspiration statement made during the ceremony to inspire the participants to provide as much detail as they can recall – AND to withhold personal animus, bias, gossip, and speculation.

It does not always work. And professional attorneys will do their best to correct errors and omissions. But no goes to prison b/c it’s not ‘required.’

What is required, in theory, is to not lie in court. That’s an important distinction.

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Pamela is not in court. At least not on her website. She’s not a witness. She is not a plaintiff or a defendant.

Incitement to violence and defamation are both crimes in the USA. If Pamela committed either crime once – much less on a regular basis as you are alleging – the defenders of terrorism would be on her like tics on a dog.

What I suspect you want – a laundry list of crimes of non-Muslims – inspired by their religions is rather hard to come up with. And I’m not sure you would want to see it if it could be compiled. The list would be far shorter than Islam’s and it would include names with which both of us are unfamiliar.

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My contention …

Pamela’s posts are consistent with reality.

Like many conservatives and other throwbacks, I like to say the sun rises in the east. Which means an obvious truth.

But the sun neither rises nor falls. As we know, the Earth spins and creates the illusion of rising.

And the sun does not appear to rise in the east – unless one is near the equator – and even then only on certain days. And depending on the definition of the ‘horizon’ or the ‘face’ of the sun, and ‘rising’ and ‘east’ … maybe it never rises in the east.

Somehow some folks are bound and determined to quibble with a simple reality – like the sun rising in the east – but what do they want? Do they want us to believe the sun rises in the west? That would be a condition that has never occurred – and never will.

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Meanwhile, back at the farm, I have personally met victims of Islam. My CIO was actually imprisoned in Egypt for three weeks while on a trip to obtain a permanent exemption from his mandatory military service requirement. Happily a good Samaritan appeared to pay the bribes needed to spring him, and get his paperwork completed. He believes – and so do I – that being a Christian was a big factor in his arrest. … That’s just the most recent example.

But it is not ‘Islam’ or ‘terrorism’ that convinces me that Pamela tells the truth. I have a long and involved history with government, politics, criminals, and so on – all very sordid and complex. Some of which I’ve alluded to already. And none of that is consistent with your view.

Actually the only experience I have had that is consistent with your view – is that yes it is common for folks living in safe, secure, Western bubbles to believe that the only monsters out there in the great wide world are those less fortunate members of their own communities who have to live with the – often violent and degrading – consequences of the policies they force upon the rest of us.

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“her comments that are otherwise”

What comments are you looking for? The Vast Amish Terrorist Conspiracy? She doesn’t cover communist terrorists. She doesn’t cover Left-wing terror.

You’re best bet is to try pinning her down on speculation about terrorists we have not yet vetted – such as the Las Vegas shooter. Isis claimed him, but the jury is still out.

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“free” the children

Ha. Yes. The children of Malmo Sweden and Rotherham UK are so free thanks to their government’s Atheist religion.

At least the authorities have one thing right. Atheism, when it becomes the State’s Established Religion is morally equivalent to Islam.
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Have a great weekend Ed.

Ed,

Yes, Pam had a role in the Garland attack. But her role was
victim.

No, they were not targeting her for wearing Western clothes.
But they were targeting her for defending the right of women to wear Western clothes.

Her daughters … I’m not Mr. Social Media, and I generally
prefer to leave kids out of it. Doxing her girls though was – IMHO – a particularly disgusting Dox. Which makes me think of my handle. … One of the reasons I am using ‘knight’ as a Fig Leaf signaling a desire for privacy is to protect my family, my friends, my associates, my former clients and tenants – and EVEN my enemies.

I know how vile and ugly and dangerous Leftists can be from
first-hand experience.

And ironically – this is also why I do not use a VPN or any
high-end software to ‘hide’ my IP address from surveillance – only standard, off the shelf retail software to stop viral attacks. I do not want to give those who may be interested any reason to think I am a threat or hiding anything. (And yes, if we were in a bar downing some brewskis – I would tell you all about it –and you would say I’m full of excrement – and we’d buy another round. LOL) But reality is just like that you know. Complicated.

“ISIS recruiter” … Back when ISIS was still ISIS, and their territory was growing … A story came through the Chaldean Church and some aid agencies (Samaritan’s purse perhaps, I’m not sure). A squad caught four little girls – all Christians – and raped them – and then beheaded them.

Video footage, and some stills, was circulated. Provenance
of the media is sketchy of course. According to the Christian groups the media was posted by ISIS recruiters to ‘inspire’ Muslims to join ISIS.

Sorry – but the video appears real, though it could be fake, and if the story is consistent with numerous other sources, but it could be
fake. Either way, nothing Pamela does can top this.

Pamela may provoke ISIS to target her.

But nothing Pamela does not do will stop them from committing violence.

The ‘recruitment’ argument goes way back. Have we not discussed this? Apologists for the dangerous and violent Islamists always speak of ‘recruitment’ to challenge us to do nothing. But we have to do something. What should we do?

The ‘recruitment’ argument is similar to the ‘Don’t enforce the law – and the criminals will stop robbing people’ argument.

“at pain of being charged with perjury if shown not to.” … and how many times does that happen?

I did pro-bono family law for about 2.5 years. Every witness who had the capacity to lie – lied. My clients did not lie – but only because I prevented it. And the rest were too flippin’ stupid to know what a “lie” is.

When you’re dealing with the folks who hardly know how many
fingers they have … these courtroom TV dramas have nothing in common with the reality of it.

“And Pam’s modus is to report some incident, any incident and
suggest that Muslims did it” … Fair enough when she’s wrong. But what about the times she’s right? If anything, she leaves too many on the table.

“And is Pam a witness?” … No that’s the point. She usually
just aggregates reports on a specific topic. That’s what she does. And she expresses her outrage as we go through the same, predictable kabuki theater – where those of us concerned about it play the monster, the victims deserved it, and the media and politicians aid and abet the perpetrators. Which btw – was once a crime under English common-law.

“many people here who mistakenly assume she is a source of
factual information. And never check independent sources.” … What independent sources?

If you want to make yourself crazy, scour the net for sources. All of them are Left-leaning, and all of them make it difficult to track Bias-related crimes and terrorism committed by their pet thugs.

Yes there are Hindus who commit serious crimes, for example.
I know because a global Christian charity sends a high-quality report on Hindu bias crime against Christians. But the same report also points out that Hindus are frequently victims of bias crime – both Hindu on Hindu and Muslim on Hindu.

Sources out of the Middle East and Southeast Asia are even more unreliable.

Pamela relies on the major Left-leaning news sources – all of
which are essentially the same in quality and bias. Her only input is 1. Picking up the story, and 2. Reacting to it.

You don’t have to read Geller report you know. You could go find a site covering Christian Bias-crimes or Right-wing Bias-crimes or, heck, find one on Buddhist Bias-crimes. But Geller is offering one website to aggregate news about one type of crime. That’s what she does.

Newsflash Ed: She’s not a Global Corporation with far flung
reporters all over the planet. She just gets her news from those sources.

If there is something wrong with her opinion or analysis – that’s on her.

But as to the sources – she uses the same ones most of us
would use in the West.

“Still, not surprising , the people here aren’t looking for factual information, The just want to engage in a conga line of suckholes with others who have their bigotry as a starting point and like to be told it’s OK”

A rather unbecoming assessment. One which I ought to just
throw right back at you.

Let me remind you: You’re speaking to someone who has witnessed the victims of literally hundreds of crimes – with nary a police report. Over one hundred crimes by Illegals – and not one police report. And this isn’t just stealing chewing gum. Rape. Baby rape. Child abuse. Domestic violence. The whole nine-yards.

And the cops do not dare touch any of it.

And the media does not give a crap.

And the politicians do not give a crap.

And the Ivory tower, Liberals living in their Safe Space bubbles do not give a crap.

And if someone gripes about it – Oh, wow, ‘you’re a rayyycisst.’

And let’s be clear – in terms of Political Correctness …

If I set up a website to start aggregating news stories to confirm what I already know about the hidden crime wave in this country … uh, well, I was about to say the cops would be sent to check by underwear … but, oh, right, … that’s already happened.

So I come here to follow what the conga line of suckhole bigots creating the Islamic threat are doing to push the Islamic thug space into the West. They want to spread the violence to more unsuspecting folks in quiet, nice, former Bubbles… and it is coming here. The Islamic Violence Collaborators are the fellow travelers (and conga suckholes of Texas) who created the mess in Dallas and Fort Worth, which I have seen for myself. I want to keep track of their progress in America. There’s not much more I can do than that.

“And interesting point that doesn’t seem tot get discussed. Is
Judaism a religion or a race? or Both?”

Who cares?

“But if it’s a race, and Jewishness being passed down
maternally seems to define it as race. We have a whole country established on the basis of racism” … Israel I assume?

Not a nice way to frame it. That remark oozes with innuendos
– none of them nice. Do you want to disavow anything Ed?

Technically, Judaism is a religion. There a number of sects and denominations of course – just like Atheism. And any other religion. It’s possible to convert in some, and not in others.

Jews are also an ethnic group, and consist of a number of tribes.

Race, of course, is a political construct. And though we have always divided ourselves for as long as we recall, ‘race’ is a modern version. I’m always surprised by Westerners who don’t seem to grasp that Tribal divisions among ‘races’ totally indistinguishable without DNA – are the fundamental ‘racial’ divisions. A quick look at a linguistic map of Brazil or Indonesia will give one a new appreciation for the variety of ‘races.’

Which ‘race’ Jews belongs to – or does not belong to – is above
my pay grade.

Most countries were established by tribe, race, religion, or
natural boundaries. Nations in the classic sense – reading ancient documents – were generally identified by language. Everyone then understood that the Nations were formed of Tribes – among other larger and smaller divisions. Tribes would squabble and fight – but they would coalesce to repel an larger external threat.

Today – largely thanks to the era of colonialism and European empires – we have many ‘unnatural’ nations formed by imposing a
political frame onto traditional Nations and Tribes. These toss natural enemies together and separate allies. They discriminate against some – and give a few tribes awesome, and unfair, advantages.

And then into this mix … We Westerners watching our TV’s and
reading blogs prance in – and apply post-Modern, Cultural Marxist ideology and wonder .. ‘Why can’t we just all get along like we’ve been Christians for 2000 years, but I’m going to leave out Jesus cause I don’t know my history?’ …

“A lot like apartheid Sth Africa” … You’re kidding right?

Israel exists because the Jewish people have been trying to
establish a ‘safe space’ – not unlike your safe space, Ed – where they can walk the streets and be safe and be Jews. After WW2, it became obvious to some that only a nation state that could defend itself would serve as a safety valve to prevent another attempt to exterminate all of them.

Europe was no longer safe – and it isn’t today – and the war had delivered the real estate on which Israel sits into the hands of the
British. Yes, I know this is short… but for the encyclopedia version get a thick book. There’s a number of them out there.

What is so exasperating is that there is Absolutely Nothing
special about Israel.

All of its neighbors had once been part of the Ottoman Empire.
ALL of those nations were carved out up the Ottoman Empire – and carved up by – the British and its allies in WW1.

Why is Kuwait sitting on a giant field of oil? (British Petroleum) Why were the Kurds carved up? (To screw ‘em) What was the point of Saudi Arabia? Good question. Maybe Lawrence was gay? I don’t know. But the whole mess was deliberate and intentional.

The idea that the Jews should have a piece of the pie too is
no more ludicrous than any of the other ‘nations’ carved out of the ME.

What would be fair would be to give Egypt back to the Copts,
give the Arabian peninsula to the Arabs, let the Persians keep Iran, let the Kurds have a state – so long as they behave – and try to calm Syria down. But that’s not going to happen because Islam does not allow any peace treaties over 10 years long.

“Malmo , Rotherham , the French caliphate , no go zones etc.
Have you personally seen any of this or do you take Pam’s word for it. I’ve certainly been recently to areas defined as “no go zones’ and there was no such thing.”

Yep. Stop 6 Fort Worth. Ward 5 Houston. East Dallas. And
several in California. I once took the wrong exit in Cali, and drove into a riot in a No Go Zone in San Jose – nothing on the radio or TV. What we saw would likely make most folks piss themselves. My passengers were screaming.

It happened again – many years later in East Dallas. Drove
right into a riot. It SHOULD have been all over the bloody radio! There was nothing. Even Fox the next morning said there was a ‘protest’ over a police shooting. The Dallas Morning Pravda only mentioned a shooting – the cops shot a perp, and no one was killed. …

Ohhhh, riiiight. Nothing happened … but the whole damned
establishment in Dallas decided to move the Opera House and everything else down there … just b/c – I guess because the Evil Whitey Crazy Rays from the Vast RW Nut Conspiracy made ‘em do it. Yeah. Yeah. Riiight.

No – because that night was an opera – and some of the
wealthiest citizens in Dallas saw TRUTH. And the conga line of Libtard bigoted bloodsuckers over there running Dallas into Detroit
space knew they could not HIDE it if they left all the amenities down there.The fairgrounds and the zoo are still there, but I have it on good authority that their days are numbered.

Which says nothing about my own experiences as a pro-bono
attorney for the folks living in these ‘No Go Zones.’

Can fools drive threw ‘em? Yeah. But I would not even let you go down to some of these places on a warm night. I would not want your blood on my conscience.

“a city shut down” … Yeah. I forget which city did the buses. But so what? Dallas and FW both have bus and rail services which are
active and heavily used during commuting hours. … But for some reason those buses and trains just don’t do certain lines at certain hours, and certain ‘hoods don’t get any service at all. Gosh, that’s a mystery. But … only to someone with no idea what’s going on.

“The posters here are little different to radical Muslims,Same product different brand.”

Pretty extreme of you. Since I am anti-child rape, I am equivalent to the child raping Illegals who get away raping children because
they flee the country, get a new skin, return, hide in a sanctuary city,and start over? Sad, Ed, sad.

Do you believe cops just become cops to shoot unarmed citizens minding their own business?

“The weekend was perfect thank you. Weather , wine, food and
not an amen to be heard.. I hope you made the most of yours.”

Glad you and yours Ed, and thank you.
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Yes, had a good weekend. Would have been better, but a cold
front came in. We hit 34F – that’s 1C for you – which is crazy weather around here. Interrupted our plans, but we worked around it.

Happy Divine Mercy Sunday, btw, Ed.