Hugh Fitzgerald: Good News From Sarawak: “If That Person Wishes to Leave (the Faith), Why Not Let Him Leave?”

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Much of the news from Muslim lands is horrifying, but where there are signs of decency and hope, no matter how small, they ought to be noted and applauded. Just this March came surprising news from the Malaysian state of Sarawak, where the government announced it would amend state laws on conversion, following a court case involving three people seeking to have their conversion to Islam reversed. A fourth person who had never been Christian wanted to convert to Christianity.

Sarawak Chief Minister Abang Johari Openg [a Muslim] said on Saturday that amendments would be made to the state’s religious law, providing an administrative solution for apostates.

“We will amend any weaknesses in our syariah laws in dealing with apostasy cases. There must be an SOP because we cannot leave people hanging,” said Datuk Abang Johari, referring to the need for a standard operating procedure.

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“If that person wishes to leave (the faith), why not let him leave?” he [Sarawak’s chief minister] added.

On Feb 27, the apex court dismissed the appeal by three Sarawakian Muslim converts and a Muslim by birth to have their case heard by the civil court. The applicants were seeking to have their identity cards and official records reflect that they are now Christians.

The country’s Islamic law is governed at the state level and Sarawak’s syariah [Sharia] court had earlier ruled that it did not have the jurisdiction to issue the Letter of Release from Islam, a document required by the National Registration Department to amend the religious status in official records. The deadlock had led to the applicants filing for their cases to be allowed a hearing in the civil court instead.

The Federal Court’s ruling last month stated that although there wasn’t a provision within the state’s syariah court ordinance related to renunciation of Islam, there are provisions under the state’s Islamic religious council which can be used by the Islamic court.

Malaysia requires non-Muslims marrying Muslims to convert to Islam if their marriage is to be recognised by local laws. The three Muslim converts in Sarawak had married Muslims but decided to return to Christianity upon divorcing or after the death of their spouse.

While Malaysia is a Muslim-majority nation, Sarawak has a higher number of Christians than Muslims, the only state with such statistics. In the last census in 2010, Sarawak recorded 1.04 million Christians, or 44.2 per cent of its population. There were 710,815 Muslims, accounting for 30.2 per cent.

“Promising to plug loopholes in state religious law, Mr Abang Johari said: “Give me six months to do this. Sarawak must have a liberal and practical policy.”

Sarawak leaders of opposition alliance Pakatan Harapan commended the move, saying that it’s “not a Muslim versus Christian issue, but merely honouring the rights of the people to freedom of religion”.

What does this small sign of decency — trying to change the state’s religious laws to allow a limited class of people (those who were required, when they married a non-Muslim, to convert to Islam) to convert back to Christianity once that marriage had ended through death or divorce? For while this would not be news anywhere in the advanced West, where conversions into and out of a faith are treated as matters of individual conscience, and not for the state to decide, in Muslim lands there has been a strict rule: no conversions out of Islam are permitted, and apostates can be severely punished, even killed. Muhammad says in a famous hadith: “If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.” Sahih Bukhari (52:260)

But here we have the government of Sarawak making clear it wishes to allow people who converted to Islam because they had married Muslims, as according to Malaysian law they were forced to, to convert back to Christianity because their spouses — the reason for their conversion to Islam — had either died or divorced them. Their position on the fourth petitioner, who wants to convert to Christianity, never having been a Christian, has not been revealed.

The willingness of the Sarawak authorities to attempt to have the law changed (they’ve not done it yet, but expressed the desire and intention to do so) in order to allow such conversion is in direct contravention of Muhammad’s words in that hadith demanding that apostates from Islam be killed. It’s not yet a sign that in Sarawak the Qur’anic verse “there is no compulsion in religion” (2:256) will be followed in other cases. There is not, for example, any mention by the Sarawak authorities of ending altogether the requirement that non-Muslim spouses of Muslims must convert to Islam. But it does signify a recognition, at least, that those who were required to convert for that reason should not be forced to remain Muslims once they no longer, because of death or divorce, have that Muslim spouse.

If they are successful in changing the law for these three petitioners, is it possible that in the future in Sarawak state the original requirement that non-Muslim spouses must convert to Islam will be ended, and that we will see, for the first time anywhere in a Muslim land, the application of that verse so beloved of Muslim apologists, that “there is no compulsion in religion”?

Just as it is important to note the many misdeeds of Muslims who, in only following the commandments of the Qur’an and hadith, every day overwhelm us with their horror, it is important, when there are incipient signs of decency, anywhere in Dar al-Islam, in the treatment of non-Muslims, not to overlook them. This small step in Sarawak may be the first in a series of liberalizing measures, or it may end with just this one achievement, of ending the permanent imposition of Islam for a limited class of petitioners. There is reason to be hopeful, in any case, that the potential loosening of the straitjacket of Islam will allow the original requirement, that a spouse of a Muslim must convert to Islam, to be held up for inspection, discussion, and possible rejection. Most of the news from Muslim lands is so depressing, that when we see a brief crack of light in what appears to be an eternity of darkness, let’s point to it, celebrate it, and hope that it will widen still further.

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Kalambong Kalambong
Kalambong Kalambong
6 years ago

Do not be fooled !!

Malaysia will have an election soon, and the current Malaysian government is led by an extremely corrupt a-hole who is disliked by most of the Malaise

That ‘Abang Johari Openg’ is also corrupt as hell, and is a proven liar

All that ‘leave if you want to’ is but a lie – a lie to win votes for the upcoming election

If you must sing “Hallelujah !” wait till the election is over, and until that the ‘leave if you want to’ promise has been kept

Until then, DON’T SING HALLELUJAH YET !!

Achmed Mohammedan
Achmed Mohammedan
6 years ago

If you actually believe Abang Johari Openg , I have some bridges that would make excellent investments. Why, the tolls alone, will pay back your investment within two weeks. Gimme a call …. 1- 800-WEE-SCAM.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago

Exactly this is nothing but crap and islamic propaganda. When Malaysia repeals their bumpitra and islamic blasphemy laws then maybe I’ll take them seriously.

felix1999
felix1999
6 years ago

Sorry for the interruption!

Infidel alert!

Off topic –

Do NOT buy CADBURY products!
It is MUSLIM halal certified!
A Muslim “blessing” DEFILES EASTER PRODUCTS.

They have also dropped the word, “EASTER” from their EASTER products too!

https://www.cadbury.com.au/products/halal-products.aspx

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Like any business Cadbury wants it both ways — they want to freely discriminate against non-muslum faiths, kowtow to the f’ing muslums and still keep their kuffar customers. They won’t be getting any sales from me evuh!

Dagonet
Dagonet
6 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

WTF!!! F-ing ragheads are offended by the EASTER BUNNY? Do they’re feel THREATENED by sweet, creamy, milk chocolate MARSHMALLOWS?

Hey, CRAPVERY, no pisslamic gov’t would have ever given you the business opportunity and success that you now enjoy in the west under her freedoms and capitalism. F- you and the camel you rode in on.

F-pisslam.

Dagonet
Dagonet
6 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Thank You for the link. (This is CRAPVERY in Australia.) I sent them a lengthy email, you know, do you condone and support human slavery as pisslam does, honor killings, FGM, wife beatings, killing infidels INCLUDING yourselves (if you’re infidels), etc. What’s your relationship w/pisslam, Jesus Christ?,… condone and support pisslam’s call for the destruction of Israel and the US?

I wonder if they’ll reply.

Folks, email them, too.

HAPPY EASTER, Everybody!

F- pisslam.

Vlad
Vlad
6 years ago
Reply to  felix1999

Bloody Cat-bury…..
Every year, I buy Lindt Chocolate Easter Eggs, NEVER CAT-BURY, for the annual Easter Egg Hunt.
After Easter, I send all the Lindt Wrappers to the CEO of CAT-BURY wishing Her a very belated Happy Easter.
I wish all chocolate buyers would do the same or similar. Hit them where it hurts.

In the last 5-6 years, I never had a thank you from CAT-BURY for your my “Happy Easter” wishes.
And no, Dagonet, they (she) will not reply to you.

felix1999
felix1999
6 years ago

Converting from Islam to another religion can result in imprisonment, fines, loss of citizenship, or even capital punishment, depending on the country.

RCCA
RCCA
6 years ago

“… when we see a brief crack of light in what appears to be an eternity of darkness, let’s point to it, celebrate it, and hope that it will widen still further.” Very well said. It may be a one-off, but you never know.

Surprised to see this point of view expressed here at TGR, after arguing about it for years.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

Let’s all celebrate the muslum practice of dishonesty because they might be telling the truth!

RCCA
RCCA
6 years ago

A person who knows anything about Islam can easily differentiate. At least anyone with reasonable intelligence. I’m not accusing you of that.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago
Reply to  RCCA

Duh, then why don’t you move to a muslum state dirtbag? You have 57 to choose from and you’ll never have to hear/read/see anything negative about islum ever again!
You don’t even rise to the level of being called a tool.
Go bugger a little boy for allah.

Dan Knight
Dan Knight
6 years ago

What we should note here – is that people who happen to be trapped in Islam are not necessarily ‘believers’ in Islam.

But it does not excuse Islam – and if recent history predicts the future – these Muslim leaders trying to be decent human beings will soon pay for their transgressions by assassination or the murder of family.

This terror – and the ensuing ‘stockholm syndrome’ – explains why virtually all Muslims are ‘radical’ – as any moderation of their faith could lead to death.

I’m as eager to see positive results as any idiot – I’m a natural optimist – but I just do not see this working out. The calculator in my head says this is just an outlier. A few guys trying to listen to their conscience. Don’ worry.

Islam will reassert itself soon.

Suresh
Suresh
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Knight

Agree. And in EU/UK Left/liberal pro-jihadi feminist welcome their own sexual predators https://tinyurl.com/y9uw74ne

Insane ?

Dagonet
Dagonet
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Knight

“trapped” in pisslam.

Some kill and die in the name of pisslam, others don’t fight to save themselves from it. Isn’t that their CHOICE?

Here’s an idea, completely BAN pisslam from the country?

Good ole USA, seperation of church and state.

F- pisslam.

everfreemind
everfreemind
6 years ago
Reply to  Dagonet

I am afraid you are off the mark. Entire population of North Korea are slaves to a single man. Is it their choice? So was Germany under a tyrant. A single religious leader with his subordinates rules Iran. People are so brain washed and doctored that they do not even know that there could be alternatives. A single man, with a deceptive and very convincing philosophy, can slowly enslave an entire nation, and later, terrorise and brutalise it’s citizens, with his very obedient army.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago
Reply to  everfreemind

He’s “off the mark” eh? You do realize there are 57 muslum sh!ttystans. Why are ALL of them totalitarian, theocratic, hellholes if so many muslums are “good” people just waiting to be freed?
Why is it that anywhere the f’ing muslums spread freedom and liberty die on the vine? I await your cogent excuses and evasions.

Dagonet
Dagonet
6 years ago
Reply to  everfreemind

If you’re going to die, die fighting for your freedom.

Brainwashed, you’re inhuman if you simply do NOT question anything. Humans have constantly sought to improve their lives (simple tools/technology, civilization) as no other animals do. It’s an innate wonder, yearning, questioning, and learning. Individuals and people eventually learn otherwise.

And yes, it is a choice, are you going to die the way you lived?

Everfreemind, I respect you, I also disagree with you.

F- pisslam.

wall poster
wall poster
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Knight

being that there are people trapped in islam …..it lends me to believe that is a very prominent problem…….islam basically has thousands of “spies” within the over bloated governing body of islam…….when the shi7# gets real there is gonna be a lot of logistics leaking from the sane membership…………..it would really suck to be stuck in islam

everfreemind
everfreemind
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Knight

Heavy funding by government aid agencies of Britain, France,Germany, Spain,Canada and US directly to extremist organizations in Muslim countries make them more and more aggressive and allow them enslave the entire country. Billions and billions of dollars from aid agencies and petrodollars from Gulf countries are turning the entire world into a terrible jihadist entity. Gulf oil dollars do these wonders. Amazing to see every single politician is filled with donations from ‘oil money’.

Dan Knight
Dan Knight
6 years ago
Reply to  everfreemind

Bingo. … And doesn’t that shine a different light on the Globalists?

0349 JAT
0349 JAT
6 years ago

It is not the government they have to worry about.
It is the average uneducated, illiterate muslum savage on the street, encouraged by their imams, to take it upon themselves to kill anyone that leaves islam.

wall poster
wall poster
6 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

what a way to live, always on edge, thinking allah is watching their every motion, and other muslims judging one another, jockeying for position…muslims are in a league of their own, yuck

PatriotlizD
Patriotliz
6 years ago
Reply to  wall poster

Just like what it must feel like to live in a totalitarian state of Nazism or Communism, e.g, North Korea. That’s why Islam should be delegitimized as a “religion” and be called IslamoNazism.
If only our Founding Fathers were prescient enough to disqualify Islam under “freedom of religion”…it would then have “free speech” on equal footing w/ the KKK, Nazism or Communism…not yet invented. After all, early America did battle w/ Muslim pirates in the Barbary Wars and knew of the Muslim invasion of Europe. They should have known better then to allow Islam to be on equal footing w/ benign religions. I guess they never thought American would be invaded by the ideology of Islam to destroy our freedoms by taking advantage of our freedoms.
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Michael Copeland
Michael Copeland
6 years ago
Reply to  0349 JAT

Indeed, murder with no penalty, since it is “Killing Someone Who Deserves To Die” see Liberty GB
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/killing-someone-who-deserves-die

santashandler
santashandler
6 years ago

Mr. Abang Johari Openg, wants to allow those who wish to leave the faith to be allowed to freely do so. Right after they all come down to headquarters and register with the state, so that a “representative” can interview and “reclassify” them. Of course, they’ll need to bring their passports. For verification purposes, of course.

Templar Bubba
Templar Bubba
6 years ago

Hmmm………

Leaving Scientology? Islam?

Not sure you should get involved in the first place.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago
Reply to  Templar Bubba

Islum makes Scientology look tame and sane by comparison.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago

Um Malaysia, just like any muslum sh!ttystan is a religious apartheid state, for evidence of this I point you to the Bumpitra laws which discriminate against non-muslims in things like employment and university enrollments for the mere fact of NOT being a f’ing muslum!

SemurJengkolMaknyus
SemurJengkolMaknyus
6 years ago

apartheid ???

what do you think Zionism is ????

Achmed Mohammedan
Achmed Mohammedan
6 years ago

Hello, semen. Why are ALL moslem males homosexuals?

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago

Your false Tu Quoque argument won’t work here Indonesian muslum chimpanzee. Long live Myanmar beotch!

Michelle
Michelle
6 years ago

When they stop the compulsory islamization of those stupid enough to wish to marry muslims and all other forced conversions there, then I will agree.

Thorsten
Thorsten
6 years ago

… to bigot no. 1 40/2 -> ‘… kill them wherever you find them’ (‘turn away’, ex-Muslims) https://quran.com/4/89
vs.
Art 1; 2, 2 German Basic law (Constitution), Section 241 Criminal code

Thorsten
Thorsten
6 years ago

piSSlam is a ONEWAY ROAD!!

Alleged-Comment
Alleged-Comment
6 years ago

Sorry, but Moslems don’t understand logic. They only understand HATE! No, not kidding. That’s all they understand.

PatriotlizD
Patriotliz
6 years ago

That will be seen as heresy by the “true” believers of Islam and then comes the sectarian violence—Muslims kill other Muslims…nothing new.

Thomas Faddis
Thomas Faddis
6 years ago

First crack in the dam?…

rambler
rambler
6 years ago

Religious membership should always be by choice. Using force to maintain numbers is an indication that the religion can’t maintain itself by offering something of spiritual value.

Tom Ridout
Tom Ridout
6 years ago

Sounds nice, BUT, the odds are very good that these people will be executed by neighbors, friends or ……….
The Islamic ideology has grown to be the worlds largest because once your in you stay in or die !

sheikyermami
sheikyermami
6 years ago

Not gonna happen.

Sarawak Chief Minister Abang Johari Openg [a Muslim] will be pressurized, threatened, bribed or killed for this. Mark my words.

IzlamDownpressesHumanity
IzlamDownpressesHumanity
6 years ago

Blasphemy laws in Malaysia? You bet your a$$!
https://www.revolvy.com/topic/Blasphemy%20law%20in%20Malaysia

Furthermore, as the article indicates, Sunni muslum indoctrination is part and parcel of ALL public schools.
So much for this puff piece of islamic propaganda.

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