6th Muslim charged in Detroit vaginal mutilation cases

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The federal government has made another two arrests in the ever-widening female genital mutilation prosecution case in Michigan, bringing the number of Muslims charged to six. With another half a million girls at risk of FGM, those charged should be in the tens of thousands.

And while six little girls have been identified as victims of vaginal mutilation in the government’s ongoing female genital mutilation probe, as many as 100 Muslim girls in the community may have been subjected to genital cutting. Two Oakland County mothers who subjected their daughters to the banned religious clitoris cutting ritual have been charged. What mother would subject her daughter to such savagery?  A devout Muslim who puts religion above all else.

The defendants have denied any wrongdoing, claiming female genital mutilation is a religious rite of passage. Indeed it is.

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The mosque was paying for these barbaric Islamic procedures.

The government had asked the judge to place both women on home detention and prohibit them from visiting their local mosque, arguing obstructive activity that sought to derail investigators in this case occurred at the mosque and could happen again.

Defense attorney Margaret Raben argued on behalf of her client: “The mosque is her family.”

The Muslim doctors who will stand trial for cutting and mutilating the vaginas of little girls are staging a religious defense.

The number of women and girls at risk for female genital mutilation (FGM) in the United States has more than doubled in the past 10 years. More than half a million women and girls in the U.S. are at risk of undergoing FGM in the U.S. or abroad, or have already undergone the procedure, including 166,173 under the age of 18, according to the Population Reference Bureau (PRB).

Dissemblers and deceivers claim that FGM is cultural phenomenon, not religious. FGM is an Islamic cultural phenomenon. FGM is found only within and adjacent to Muslim communities. (source: Gerry Mackie, “Ending Footbinding and Infibulation: A Convention Account,” American Sociological Review).

Unlike male circumcision, female genital mutilation has no health benefits for girls and women.

Female genital mutilation (FGM) involves partial or total removal of the clitoris, causing injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.

Female genital mutilation procedure has no health benefits for girls and women. It removes all possibility of sexual pleasure. It is the worst kind of misogyny.

Procedures can cause severe bleeding and problems urinating, and later cysts, infections, as well as complications in childbirth and increased risk of newborn deaths.

 More than 200 million girls and women alive today have been cut in 30 countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia, where FGM is concentrated.

FGM is mostly carried out on young girls between infancy and age 15.

FGM is a violation of the human rights of girls and women.

Unlike male circumcision, this procedure has no health benefits. It has one purpose and one purpose only, to remove the female’s most sensitive erogenous zone and the source of human female sexual pleasure. Chalk it up to another of Islam’s constitutions to [in]humanity.

Two Oakland County moms charged with subjecting daughters to genital cutting

Tresa Baldas , Detroit Free Press, June 21, 2017:

The federal government has amped up its female genital mutilation prosecution, charging two Oakland County mothers with subjecting their daughters to the banned religious cutting ritual that has now been linked to four Michigan girls.

This brings the total number of identified victims to six — two from Minnesota, four from Michigan. And the number of defendants charged in the historic case is now up to six, including two doctors, a physician’s wife, two mothers and a sixth woman — all of them accused of participating in various degrees of subjecting young girls to genital cutting as part of a religious practice within their Indian Muslim sect.

The latest two defendants — both of them mothers and citizens of India who appeared in federal court Wednesday with their husbands — were released on bond by a federal judge Wednesday and ordered to wear tethers and surrender their Indian passports. The women have also been prohibited from talking to any of the alleged victims or witnesses in this case, except for their daughters, whom they are still allowed to live with.

The government had asked the judge to place both women on home detention and prohibit them from visiting their local mosque, arguing obstructive activity that sought to derail investigators in this case occurred at the mosque and could happen again.

U.S. District Judge Mona Majzoub denied the government’s requests after defense lawyers argued the mothers need to tend to the busy lives of their children, who have many activities planned for this summer, including camp, swimming, reading and technology lessons. They also argued that the defendants should be allowed to attend their religious services. As defense attorney Margaret Raben argued on behalf of her client: “The mosque is her family.”

Raben also described her client as being a proud member of the Dawoodi Bohra.

“That’s what got them into trouble here,” said Raben, who stood at the lecturn with her arm around her client’s shoulder, patting her at times for comfort.

The women were charged with conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation and one count of female genital mutilation.

A third woman, Tahera Shafiq of Wayne County, has also been indicted in the case for allegedly being present during some of the cutting procedures.

The new defendants were added to the original indictment that was handed up in April charging Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, a now-fired emergency room physician at Henry Ford, with performing the procedure on two Minnesota girls at a Livonia clinic in February. The clinic owner and his wife, Dr. Fakuruddin Attar and Farida Attar, have also been charged.

All six defendants are members of the Dawoodi Bohra — a small Indian Muslim sect with a mosque in Farmington Hills that practices female circumcision and believes it is a religious rite of passage.

According to the superseding or new indictment unsealed Wednesday, four Michigan girls have now been identified as victims of this practice, which is illegal in the U.S. and has been condemned worldwide.

Among those victims are an Oakland County girl who was subjected to a genital cutting procedure on May 30, 2015, at the Burhani Medical Clinic in Livonia. Prosecutors allege her mother brought her to the clinic, where Nagarwala allegedly performed a genital cutting procedure on the girl. The clinic owner’s wife, Farida Attar, also was there.

The other indicted mother is accused of bringing her daughter to the same clinic for the same procedure last year, sometime between June and Sept. 20, 2016. According to the indictment, Nagarwala performed that procedure as well and the victim’s mother lied to law enforcement when questioned about whether female genital mutilation procedures took place.

While the U.S. Attorneys office has identified six victims in the government’s ongoing female genital mutilation probe, it has claimed that as many as 100 Bohra girls may have been subjected to genital cutting over the last 12 years.

The defendants have denied any wrongdoing and maintain they were not involved in any cutting, but rather subjected the girls only to scraping procedures that they believe are a religious rite of passage.

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tom
tom
6 years ago

The Islamic war on women is indeed relentless….and completely unopposed by western so-called feminists who are too busy rationalizing this medieval practice and siding with the misogynist Muslim men to go to bat for Muslim women. Take a bow ladies!

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  tom
Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  dad1927

Civilisation takes one step forward and 3 steps back.. Any wonder the birth rate among westerners is declining. Who would want to bring children into a world being dragged back into the ignorance and superstition of the primitive ? Lord knows we have enough of that among our intellectually elite.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago
Reply to  dad1927

My God why is this evil allowed. Islam is from the depths of hell and needs to be sent back.

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Muslamics truly are barbarian. The door to the 7th century opened and they got some of our toys and mannerisms from the West and mixed it into their ways and yet they ironically despise us. And even though they like a lot of our technology they reject our morals and values they claim are phony and evil because they point out all of our failures and never the successes. Meanwhile they engage in cultural ways that were once acceptable to barbarians in the 7th century and in fact they still are acceptable to barbarians in the 21st century.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Actually – they admire us. They only despise our constant meddling and war-mongering in their own countries.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Typical muslum evasion — it’s not our fault we’re killing you.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

“Evasion”? Then you deny that the USA has destroyed four Muslim countries – with a body-count in excess of a million.? And no indication that we plan to stop with that. Are you possibly so arrogant as to believe there would be no consequences?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

12,000,000 muslims killed by other muslims since 1948.

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago

Does “we” include Britain, the European countries, the Saudi coalition partners, Russia, Iran and Australia? If not, you may wish to address your myopia..

Steve
Steve
6 years ago

It all really depends on your viewpoint as to what is war mongering and what is assistance with our technology that invariably brings our cultural influence to some degree. Our country has elevated much of the economies and quality of life of much of that part of the world – including unfortunately the ability to make war on a more sophisticated level – but those countries have been fighting each other internally and externally for thousands of year.

You call it admiration of them for us but I call it despising us. Perhaps a compromise may be jealousy of what we have here despite our problems. Still they cannot break sharia’s hold so they can never really get what we have for they live intimidated and you have to be free to believe differently as we do and as such that encourages creativity and inventions and generally our better world.

The civilization so claimed with thousands of inventions by muslims in the past has been shown to be mostly bogus in that much was “inherited” from those they conquered. If you have a chance check out Dr Bill Warner’s video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve

The only thing that we have done to “elevate their economies” is to pay them for whatever oil we couldn’t steal from them. Every last item of “technology” we have sold them is toward the end of keeping them devided conquered, and at war among themselves – making exploitation of their natural resources easier and cheaper for us. (Any other self-satisfying “feel good” conclusion is fraud, frost, and delusion.)

Steve
Steve
6 years ago

You really are seeing from a narrow perspective making objectivity out of your reach. The computer we are using for example came from Western ingenuity – not sand or sharia. If you looked at the video by Dr Warner, you would have seen muslimics killing each other since the beginning – without western technology. Your words epitomize the typical muslamic attitude that other viewpoints are not allowed and wrong. The only thing you didn’t say is next comes the punishment.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve

You are putting words in my mouth. So you conveniently ignore all the blood-letting among Christian Europeans for centuries (and constant fear of more to come) – which the family feuds among muslims don’t even BEGIN to compare with.
Are you suggesting that countries around the world that buy cars, appliances, electronics that they don’t have the ability to produce themselves are worthless – and have no right to exist because they aren’t contributing anything that YOU value?
That Arab and Muslim petroleum (which still fuels western technology and progress) has been a CURSE – since the very earliest 1900’s. (And it WAS a factor of WWI because that was a European war (not strictly a “world” one like Wilson pretended) and they were looking at that oil from their “colonies” to convert their military from coal-powered to oil-powered. (The U.S. was already self-sufficient.)
Other viewpoints are allowed to the extent that Muslims viewpoints are. Permanent problem is Christian arrogance that doesn’t bother to even consider any other.
????”Punishment”???? By WHO? And for WHAT?

Steve
Steve
6 years ago

I’m not putting words in your mouth at all. I’m making a post. Deal with it. You are very upset and not thinking objectively shown by your use capitalizing and plenty of ?’s. Too much emotion defeats critical thinking. My prior post stands.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

There is no room for anyone to put words in your mouth, you have mutgonad’s, police beat upon him, zabir in it.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

“They admire us” you said you were an apostate, who admires apostates?

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago

But very much admire their own meddling and war-mongering in former Christian regions (Syria, Lebanon, North Africa, Constantinople) and former Buddhist and Hindu regions (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia.)

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

That is just the popular hysteria if the present. It will all be de-bunked and forgotten about in due time. If I believed in “hell” – I would have to conclude that all religion is from there.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

Please do not call the nazis cult of islam a religion. They are murderers and conquerors. Do not forget that islam was conquering for 1500 years and grew by convert or die and rape jihad. They were left unchecked for over 400 years before civilization started to fight with with the Crusaders. Now they are at it again and murdering 100,000 Christians a year in islamic countries because their satanic book commands it and invading free countries to impose their evil cult on humanity once again. In the end islam will be defeated just like communism and nazism and other evil ideologies were.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

It is recognized as a religion by all nations and all other religions.
Please dig way down deep and find the honesty to look at your own religion’s history as murderers and conquerors from the 1490’s into the 1800’s. Hypocrite!

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

Christianity is the opposite of islam. Jesus is Christianity and he healed the sick and raised the dead, he taught only love and non violence so anyone that does harm is not following Christianity. Mohammad made up islam and he was a rapist and warlord who murdered and sexually enslaved females and wrote a book that commands muslims to beat their multiple wives and condones the rape of kafir females and commands that it is the duty of all muslims to kill the unbelievers. All those muslims not raping and murdering for allah are considered apostates. You have read your evil book, I hope, it is all there in black and white.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Jesus, Mohammed, (and hundreds of “Prophets” before them) were frauds and swindlers. Interested in only a single thing: To emotionally and physically achieve and exert authority over their fellow man.
Preachers and Imams continue to wield that authority in the names of its originators.
FYI: I HAVE read BOTH their “evil books” (wasted the best years of my life doing it) and you are correct: I IS “all there in black and white”. To be picked and chosen from at the whim of the reader, to answer EVERY question, make EVERY prophecy, support EVERY fantasy, justify EVERY blood-lust, and avenge EVERY imaginary insult or offense.
Every last page, passage, and painting needs to be found, burned, and the ashes dumped into the sea. Every building, statue, and monument razed and ground into dust, and every professional or amateur parasite hanged. Until that is achieved – people like ourselves will continue to argue about it and slaughter each other. (Go read your bible and pray about it.)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

You looked at the words, from your comments, you read nothing and understood less.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

None have murdered more than islam not even the communist or the nazis or any atheist groups. Islam murdered close to a billion people in their quest to conquer the world for satan. After over 400 years of non stop slaughter of innocents by muslims the Crusaders finally stepped in. You do know that islam grew by convert or die and rape jihad. In this day and age muslims are murdering 100,000 Christians a year in islamic countries because your satanic god commands it in the koran. The days of your evil female hating nazi cult are numbered. God will destroy allah.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

So you couldn’t find any honesty.? Just more blind, hysterical, impotent hatred to spew.
You are one of those that believe that your evil is “good” – so long as what you see as a “worse” evil exists – and that is the only standard you set for yourselves.
If Christians were being murdered in Islamic countries like is commonly claimed – they would have been exterminated years ago.
“Female hating cult”. Get Real! Half of all Muslims are female – and they are arguably the most devout. (Perhaps because religion is purely an imaginary emotional concept, females are emotionally-driven, and respond to “tough love”.)
The destruction of Islam has been the futile and fanatical dream of Christianity for 1500 years. Don’t hold your breath for those “numbered” days you are so confident of.
If it is the idea of god destroying allah – it can only be a snake swallowing and digesting its tail until nothing is left. (I’ll drink to that!) That is the answer to a peaceful, superstition-free world. (Our species dooms itself – until that can be recognized and achieved.)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Of course muslims are devout, it is death to not be. Really, your inability to present a researched valid document is more hilarious than pathetic, though you are rather pathetic at best.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

Just like all mohammedan paid trolls you lie. Mohammad and his ultra ego allah are pure evil and you know this and embrace it? That tells me all I need to know about you. And yes God will destroy allah it is written. Jesus is not a prophet by the way he was God incarnate. Mohammad was not a prophet he was satan incarnate. Do not despair, there is good news Jesus is revealing himself to brainwashed mohammedans in dreams and visions and performing miracles daily. Millions of mohammedans are bailing from your death cult every day after having experienced the love and peace of Jesus. Why do you think that mohammedans are murdering 100,000 Christians a year in islamic countries, because a lot of these Christians are ex mohammedans and because mohammedans are in panic mode because deep down they know that islam has no connection to God and Christianity does. When Jesus comes into your life you know true peace and love and have the strength of the Holy Spirit. Yes Islam appears to be winning with all the jihad attacks and their control of the media and politicians bought and paid for by islamic oil money, however, in the end islam will fold it can not withstand truth or love.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Apparently I need to preface every thing I post: “Shove your Jesus, your Mohammed, your Bible and your Quran up your ass – I AM ATHEIST”.
There is no possibility of exchanging information on here – because all you are looking for just is another opportunity to repeat all your hysterical, hateful, foaming-at-the-mouth (and highly infectious) rabid jabber over and over and over.
Religion has been the curse of our species – since the first primate imagined “tomorrow” (and then a “god” to explain it).
Go to your “safe space”, read your stupid bible , and pray over it.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

The Bible is from God and YOUR female hating killing manual is from Satan. I am not a leftist so do not need a safe space. Safe spaces are for leftist and Mohammedans all are professional victims and whinners.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Temper temper, you are irrational to begin with, you get worse when you lose it, giggle, do it again, old people are so cute when they go indignantly stupid.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Lets discuss stalin and pol pot who were atheists and murdered millions.

yael58
yael58
6 years ago
Reply to  tom

Any “feminist” who doesn’t oppose FGM, child marriage, or Sharia is a faux feminist. The real feminists of yesteryear, who actually gave a damn about the welfare of women and girls instead of political correctness, wouldn’t have given the time of day to those poseurs.

yael58
yael58
6 years ago
Reply to  tom

Linda Sarsour (and those “feminists” at the Women’s March) and Germaine Greer are frauds.
Aayan Hirsi Ali is a real feminist.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  yael58

Aayan Hirsi is an apostate fraud – with an audience that pays her to say what they want to hear.

yael58
yael58
6 years ago

Aayan Hirsi Ali is an extremely brave and outspoken women. But according to Islam, yes she is an apostate.
The real frauds and faux feminists are those like Linda Sarsour.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

My wife watched Hirsi Ali on a TV panel discussion that included an Imam. Hirsi Ali did not know enough about Islam to even discuss it in the presence of an Imam. My wife had seen her and I had heard her several times on conservative radio. We both considered her a fraud, but her performance as a panel member confirmed that she is a total fraud. (Of course she is very popular with any anti-Islamic audience.)

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

Maybe she says that she has been mutilated. From what I’ve seen of her – her credibility is zero.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Gee muslum I’ll bet Aayan Hirsi’s half life if she went back to her native Somalian muslum cesspool state and were recognized would be measured in minutes.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

You are likely quite correct. I reckon her miserable head would roll right there in customs and immigration. (I’m sure she would not even consider returning. She has definitely burned all her bridges.)
Her more immediate concern is how much more she can blaspheme and vilify Islam – before someone gets her here. (Not my problem.)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

An atheist who says he is not concerned about islam yet has studied it, has a muslim name and spouts taqiyya like a drunken caliph.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

I have no illusions about “respect” -.and it is hopefully delusional for you to say “nobody”. I do not defend EVIL – but I do challenge the pointless exaggeration of what some may consider elements of evil.
I am becoming quite fond of the charge of “takiyya” – because it confirms that I have given someone something to think about that can not be dismissed in any other way.
NOTHING is entirely “good” nor entirely “bad” – and as the globe’s second or third place religion – billions of Muslims do not consider Islam to be “evil” at all.
As an Atheist – I happen to regard ALL institutionalized superstition as fundamentally tyrannical, and a serious impediment to mankind’s potential, future, and role in nature. Surely nothing could be so EVIL as planning and welcoming a holocaust that will utterly wipe out our species.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

Then there is no factual basis for your opinion about me at all. You think that because I don’t share your blind, unreasoning hatred of something – then I am a believer in it. Intellectual dishonesty and bigotry at its finest. Congratulations!

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Truly you are a man of many talents, atheist, muslim, apostate, imbecile among others.

Pathfinder0100
Pathfinder0100
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Yee haw!!!

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Beautiful, it is a joy to watch you skewer this pile of meat.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Scared of girls, be careful, they bite.

ICH5000
ICH5000
6 years ago

Mustafa-I doubt she would “lie” about such a thing. Regardless FGM happens.
Do you agree with it ?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  ICH5000

I certainly Do NOT agree with FGM – and have never known anybody that does.
It is a barbaric tradition that pre-dates Islam by uncountable centuries.
“She” is a professional propagandist just like MSM “anchor persons ” and “journalists” are. It is her “rice bowl” – and she is keeping it well -filled

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

How much have you seen?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

What you know about islam is very little, for someone who has allegedly studied it, you will have to present evidence that you are knowledgeable enough be a fraud.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

I don’t “have to” do ANYTHING. I offer ideas and insights for consideration by everyone. (Your hatred and hysteria is only incidental to the conversation.)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Your ignorance and inconstancy is an indication that you have no clue about islam at all, or are hitting the bottle of zam zam water a bit hard. You contribution to the conversation has been trivial so far, now you are reduced to accusing me of “hatred and hysteria” very weak argument, even for a brain dead muslim.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

OK – what do YOU “know” about Islam (and where did you “learn” it?).
Do you speak Arabic? Have you been an accepted member of the Muslim community? (Atheist or Fanatic). Are you officially the “head” of a Muslim household anywhere in the Islamic world? Are you exempt from the resident and employment requirements in most Muslim countries – like I am? Are you eligible for free medical care and retirement income in one of them – like I am? And you still suggest that I “know very little about Islam”?
Get Real.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Why do you not answer the questions you said you would? Indications are you are senile, full to taqiyya, as an apostate how can you be an accepted member of the islamic community? Your lack of focus and hopelessly obvious attempts to divert are more hilarious than anything else. You are this, you are that, but above all else, you are an idiot who cannot answer a simple question about islam. Giggle, you are a joke.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

From your comments, you are definitely an apostate.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

YES! Most definitely, unquestionably, and unapologetically – YES.
(Damn! You are “slow”- to have taken so long to “get” that.)
Man with a Muslim name that identifies as Atheist (and explains why) – might be apostate? Duuuh!

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Damn, you are stupid or more likely practicing taqiyya. You still haven’t addressed the questions I asked, at your invitation. Perhaps this quote of yours will explain why you have the reputation of being an idiot. “Mustafa Curtess Mahou Shoujo • a day ago
Ask me a specific question and I will be happy to give you a specific answer.
What was the question – again, please”? If you can’t answer simple questions on islam after 50 years of “studying it” you are not paying attention.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Apostate, dude? Like man, why are you not stoned?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

That he is, a very confused one at that.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

He seems to be trying to be a muslim apologist, when he should be apologizing for being stupid.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

You still need to have your glasse’s prescription changed. Dorri is pretty as are all the other girls on the forum. My prettiness best before date was 19umptyoof.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

That is stretching it more than my stretch marks.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

That is what the all say, before becoming shells of their former selves.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

It takes two to tango, I do not dance.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

He is clueless.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

So you think I would go to a priest or rabbi with an important question about Islam?
Lol! Not long ago -a guy on here claimed to know “everything about Islam” – because the nuns that taught him in school had explained it to him.
EVERY religion is fatally flawed. Nothing is served by exaggerating those flaws while sugar-coating the flaws in your own.
Lol! My first attraction to Islam was my instinctive certainty that NOTHING could be as bad as it was said to be – and I insisted to learn why they were lying.
It turned out to be pretty darned logical – even tho it is based upon the same incredible superstition and mythology that all religion is.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Wow, what a crock of well fermented fertilizer, here I thought as an ESL student I had trouble with english. As you are very hard of thinking, possibly senile, I shall report your statement “Mustafa Curtess Mahou Shoujo • a day ago. Ask me a specific question and I will be happy to give you a specific answer. What was the question – again, please?
Here is a new question, explain how islam is logical with direct reference to the fact that many statements in the qur’an are abrogated to mean the exact opposite of what they say. The classic example being “Verse 2:256 from the Quran is often quoted to prove what a tolerant religion Islam is. The verse (supposedly) reads in part, “Let there be no compulsion in religion; truth stands out clearly from error…” Then there is “Allah’s Apostle (Muhammad) said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.” Bukhari 8:387″. “But Muslims today pray toward Mecca. The reason for this is that Muhammad issued a later command that abrogated (or nullified) the first. In fact, abrogation is a very important principle to keep in mind when interpreting the Quran – and verse 2:256 in particular – because later verses (in chronological terms) are said to abrogate any earlier ones that may be in contradiction (Quran 2:106, 16:101)”. Ok muslim, answer the contradictions, why is the unchangeable word of your “alla” inconstant?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

You got a religious question – you go to an expert about it. Parrish Priest – or whatever. I value my experience as a member of Muslim communities – wherever that has been – and I make no apologies for it. Every one of us are just “people” – above anything else. If you don’t have a community (past or present) – I feel sorry for you. (And if you are the hateful bitch that you sound to be – it wouldn’t surprise me if anybody that knows you as the personna on here – they wouldn’t want to have anything to do with you. (Actually – I think that you are a troll that I have tried to chat with before – that used a different name. (Same prose, and same sick, asinine, attitude. Get A Life.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Because stoning is not permitted in the USA. I probably wouldn’t be punished anywhere – since I have no reason to harm Islam. (THAT is what gets apostates in trouble.)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Since when have muslims ever accepted any law other than shari’s. Bad apostate, stones for you.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

You are just another mohammedan troll using deception to try to conceal the evil of islam. Get lost.

John Burns
John Burns
6 years ago

Aayan was mutilated at age 6 and her sister at age 4. Anyone performing that atrocity on a child should be horsewhipped and hanged with piano wire.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

That is an issue that I must take very personally in my position. I have discussed it with our Imam – and have several advantages.
It is not as stark and inflexible as many anti- Muslims prefer to believe.
As a matter of fact:,The mention of “Satan” suggests that you feel more hostility toward me (and hold me more accountable) than the real Muslim community does.
There is certainly nothing unusual about people who are nominally followers of a religion – that simply are not convicted by it. (I have well known many Muslims (probably the “best” ones) that simply refuse to allow religion to interfere with – or diminish – their lives any more than I do, lo and there is likely even a larger legion of lapsed and non-observant Christians in the same position. It is simply a matter of how much a person allows his imagination to control his life.
But when a man engages in public discussion as I do – honesty for the sake of credibility can not be avoided. (It is rarely reciprocated – but my conscience is untroubled.)
Those apostates who join another (very hostile one – in the instance of Christianity) religion – and use their knowledge to falsely blaspheme and vilify Islam – are held to a much higher standard that does not apply to me.
(As a former Christian I never felt to harm it – and I have no feelings to harm Islam either. And no one can honestly accuse me of doing either.)
It is simply not in my psyche to hold unwitting victims accountable for their mistakes. In the instance of superstition – they are up against something incredibly well-established and socially powerful.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

You exercise your right to express your opinions freely – but that is all that they are. Opinion.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

Finally some progress! So you do recognise that we are members of the animal kingdom. Next is to get you to understand that the perpetuation of our species depends ENTIRELY upon “animals doing animal things”.
( There may be some hope for you – yet.)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

“That is an issue that I must take very personally in my position. I have discussed it with our Imam – and have several advantages”.
“Shove your Jesus, your Mohammed, your Bible and your Quran up your ass – I AM ATHEIST”.
You are either very confused, a liar, or an idiot, ask you imam if stupid is right for you. Consider taking notes about what you are babbling about, you are as contradictory as mutgonad, police beat upon him. Which way shall the at home audience abrogate your incredibly more asinine with each day’s comments?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Prove it.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Prove otherwise – troll.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Read your comments, you invalidate your own statements continuously , not the best example of taqiyya ever presented.

yael58
yael58
6 years ago
Reply to  yael58

You have an erroneous idea of what feminism is. But I won’t debate the issue here.
But Aayan Hirsi Ali does describe her self as a feminist.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  yael58

I certainly do not see any “pro-Islam” in comments by females on here – and Ms Ali can by no means be considered a “pro-Islam feminist”.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

I know absolutely nothing about her sex life. I have heard her lie so many times that I wouldn’t believe her if she described it to me herself.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

Justify your opinion with a personal insult. So typical as to be almost predictable.

ICH5000
ICH5000
6 years ago
Reply to  tom

my friends got upset with me–very liberal people…said circumcision is equally as barbaric.

tom
tom
6 years ago
Reply to  ICH5000

Your friends are misinformed. FGM is solely about denying females sexual pleasure, the opposite of male circumcision which, if anything, enhances sexual pleasure for men. Obviously there is a huge difference between the clitoris and some superfluous foreskin.

ICH5000
ICH5000
6 years ago
Reply to  tom

I totally agree. I was stumped tbh. Pick your battles I said to myself.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago

Circumcision has no proven health benefits.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

That is not the point of this article, do try and focus.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Then why mention that alternative fact?

Robert Batchelor
Robert Batchelor
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

Because people keep trying to compare the two (FGM and circumcision ) as the same thing when they’re not.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago

The article makes the comparison, not me

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

Actually, by your statement on circumcision (usually applies to male version ) you gave the impression you a) do not condemn FGM b) you equate them, by implying the male version is as bad as the female version–patently untrue.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Nope. You made that up

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

Why not focus on the discussion?

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Why not focus on the text?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

One has to, as well as being a student of interpretive literature.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

Not enough to recommend universal male circumcision, no. But research indicates a reduced risk of penile cancer, and cervical cancer in partners: STDs and UTIs: prevents balanitis and balanoposthitis, and optimal treatment for one of the two types of phimosis, Apparently preferred by some sexual partners. Usual risks of delicate area/ any surgery, but not common, which is why only performed by trained personnel or in Urology dept. Mohel are trained . On the other hand — None at all for FGM, while performed without the patient’s consent , under restraint, and without anaesthetic—–while in 2016 5,500 FGM complications had to be treated by our NHS. How many treated in the private sector ? Include ongoing pain, infection, renal damage from ascending UTIs, painful intercourse, dribbling incontinence, bleeding, complications in conceiving, labour, stillbirth, maternal deaths, neonatal deaths. Imams declare it “medically harmless”. Of course it is— to the men and they are worth twice as much as one woman.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Research paid for by the circumcision industry?

Robert Batchelor
Robert Batchelor
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

Really? Circumcision has been around for thousands of years. Erica’s post was excellent but you’ve already made up or in this case—closed your mind.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago

you’ve already made up or in this case—closed your mind

Susan
Susan
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

Why do you muddy the waters. This article is about FMG and that practice is 100 times worse and is done to punish females for having sexuallity. Islam is from the depths of hell and you can tell by how they hate females.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

Could you elaborate ? Have you facts on this industry ? In your opinion, would that be confined to one ethnic group ?

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Pretty much everyone knows that the medical industry is one of the most corrupt, evil industry.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

Massive, unsubstantiated generalisation. Had you said the drug / pharmaceutical industry, there would be a certain amount of truth in your accusation. Money is their god. Hence more research into Viagra type drugs than cancer drugs. The fat cat purveyors of massively expensive ,private sticking plaster vanity surgery are the ancient “leeches ” of the profession, and a million miles away from the 20 hour slogging doc with visions of helping mankind, the ones I’ve worked with most of my life. Don’t confuse them.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

You encourage people to care these dangerous products?

The DOCTORS.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

LOL

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

You are hijacking this discussion to pursue your own vendetta. Find a discussion on the medical profession and vent on there.

Christian Abel
Christian Abel
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

He was not the one bringing the subject here.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

“The circumcision industry” LOL. Yeah that’s a big bucks industry alright. But is it a grower? Or a shower?

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  Christian Abel

fgm is a vile disgusting hate of women reducing them to property, worth less than a goat

bannedquran20
bannedquran20
6 years ago

U.S. or shariah law? For those that are sane, will of course pick U.S. over shariah law. shariah nor islam, along with its two troubled and fallible books, has no place in society period. Incidentally, islam is not a religion and there are many reasons why that is so.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  bannedquran20

The more that is learned about islam, the more repulsive and loathsome it is. islam is not a religion, it is a criminally insane cult dedicated to death.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo
C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Exactly.

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Anyone calling Islam a religion is either ignorant , brainwashed by the media, Islamic ( hence retarded) or paid .

bannedquran20
bannedquran20
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Correct neighbor.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

“The defendants have denied any wrongdoing and maintain they were not involved in any cutting, but rather subjected the girls only to scraping procedures that they believe are a religious rite of passage”. They “scraped” so hard that pieces came off the girls genitalia? Perhaps this procedure should be looked at a lot more closely/

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

look at the ratbag comment image attorneys. Like one of these vipers could tell the truth.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Congratulations, America. However did you manage it ?That is six more than us. Laws since 1985, tightened in 2003 allowing 5-14 years prison time, even if FGM procured abroad, heightened alerts at airports in summer school holidays-“the cutting season”. What do they watch for , blood dripping ? Perhaps trained sniffer dogs would be more efficient. Estimated 137,000 victims of FGM in UK, reported to be on the increase. Attempts at prosecution 2 . Convictions zilch. West Midland Police (highest concentrations of Muslims outside of London )tweet “educating and safeguarding vulnerable girls is the focus. Prosecuting / jailing parents unlikely to benefit child.” only prosecute ” if in the victim’s best interests.” Whatever happened to deterrence, “stamping out ” ? What other conclusion are we to draw, than if this involved any other community, the prisons would be even more overpopulated. So we all condone child abuse in the name of cultural tolerance. Why then do we bother to prosecute paedophiles ?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Sorry, sniffer dogs haram, considered more unclean than infected human tissue. I worked on enough Genitourinary units to know otherwise.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

When if they they ever actually practice in our jurisdiction. (But then: I guess you give Catholic Priests a “pass” – don’t you?)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Typical muslim technique, you can’t answer a question so you divert. Weak, just like everything about islam.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

If muslums can’t just kill or imprison you for criticising their damned, dumb, Jew hating death cult there’s not much else that they can do but divert, obfuscate, lie and deny.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Ask me a specific question and I will be happy to give you a specific answer.
What was the question – again, please?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Why do you single out Catholic priests as abusers of children, when it is a common practice in islam? As abuse of children can lead to extensive internal damage, even death, why is this considered acceptable to islam?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

I don’t “single out” ANYBODY! I only remind you that (if anything) pedophilia is probably more common ( and seemingly indulged) in the Christian community.
“Acceptible to Islam” only means that when a female begins to menstruate – that is nature’s (not mankind’s) indication that she is adult – for all sexual purposes. Clearly a biological issue – that anti-Muslims exploit as an emotional issue – disregarding nature entirely.
At what age would you prefer young females to become fecund? (The way I read it – a lot of you would say “never”.)
Western “Feminists” have painted themselves into a corner that they hope to get out of by pointing fibgers at the Muslim community (that wants no part in it).
Not uncommon to hear Feminists asked: “Why don’t you attack Islam on behalf of your “sisters”? They don’t – because only a very few “pseudo- Muslim” women adtually welcome them to – because they like things just the way they are (and always have been). They have nothing to gain by emasculating their men (like western females would like to do).
If this is confusing to you – I suggest that you look deeply into the fundamental difference in the way that Christiand and Nuslims regard “sex” I will only go further into that if I am asked to. Suffice it to say that among Muslims – sexual conduct is not a “spiritual” matter – and is not considered in any way to be “sinful”(any more than being hungry at meal-time is.)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

“Mustafa Curtess Erica Ling • 7 hours ago

When if they they ever actually practice in our jurisdiction. (But then: I guess you give Catholic Priests a “pass” – don’t you?)” Now I know that muslims always use their own meaning for words to confuse and lie to non muslims, so, please explain this statement of yours.

“Acceptible to Islam” only means that when a female begins to menstruate – that is nature’s (not mankind’s) indication that she is adult – for all sexual purposes. Clearly a biological issue – that anti-Muslims exploit as an emotional issue – disregarding nature entirely.

At what age would you prefer young females to become fecund? (The way I read it – a lot of you would say “never”.) Your presumption destroys your argument in your last sentence.

An excerpt from ‘Hal Ataaka Hadeeth ur-Raafidah’ by the late Sheikh Abu Mus’abaz-Zarqaawi (discussed here)

“The author of the book ‘For Allah, Then For History’ [1] mentions to us an event that took place before his very eyes, when al-Khomeini [2] was living in Iraq, and was visiting an Iranian individual by the name of Sayyid Sahib.

He says: ‘Sayyid Sahib was joyous with our visit, and we arrived at his house around the time of Dhuhr. So, he prepared for us a lavish dinner, and called some of his relatives, who came to see us, and the house became crowded in celebration of our presence.

Sayyid Sahib then requested that we spend that night at his home, to which the Imam agreed. When it was night time, we were given our supper, and the guests would take the Imam’s hand and kiss it, and they would ask him questions, with him answering their questions.

When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.

So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming [through the night].’” This is islam.
” sexual conduct is not a “spiritual” matter – and is not considered in any way to be “sinful”(any more than being hungry at meal-time is.)” So are you saying that the recipient of a muslim adult males sexual attentions age is irrelevant? Are you aware that children have died after being raped by adults? An eight-year-old Yemeni girl has died of internal bleeding on her wedding night after marrying a man five times her age, a social activist and two local residents said, in a case that has caused an outcry in the media and revived debate about child brides.

Arwa Othman, head of Yemen’s House of Folklore and a leading rights campaigner, said the girl, identified only as Rawan, was married to a 40-year-old late last week in the town of Meedi in Hajjah province, north-western Yemen.

“On the wedding night and after intercourse, she suffered from bleeding and uterine rupture which caused her death,” Othman said. “They took her to a clinic but the medics couldn’t save her life.” Perhaps, to quote you, “Ask me a specific question and I will be happy to give you a specific answer. What was the question – again, please” Specifically, what does islam allow children to be murdered by sexual deviants? It is very noticeable by your comments that you are not capable of providing specific answers to questions, do try harder, you are validating the fact that muslims have severely limited intelligence.
“”sinful”(any more than being hungry at meal-time is.)” So if a person kills a muslim who is violating their rights, that would be acceptable to islam, even if it is a muslim?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

I don’t believe a word of that. It is impossible and if you have even half a brain – you shouldn’t believe it, either. Unless it was here in the U.S. it has nothing to do with me. Go peddle your fantasies elsewhere.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Shall we discuss the rape incident of a 5 year old girl in twin falls idaho? Of course you don’t believe what I quoted, as the quotes were written by muslims, as a muslim you know they are all liars. Like when you said to ask yo a question and you would answer it, next time specify that your answer will conform to some or all of these standards of islam, • Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda’rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam. [4] [5]
• Kitman: deceit by omission.[6]
• Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.[7]
• Taysir: deceit through facilitaton (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia).[8]
• Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something “Haram” or forbidden).[9]
• Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear “moderate”.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Taqiyya, you have not answered the questions I asked you, after a couple of days, it is clear you haven’t because you don’t know diddly squat about islam, which is diddly squat.

Pathfinder0100
Pathfinder0100
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

That’s tellin’ him!!

absolut1
absolut1
6 years ago

catholic priests seem to be giving muslims a pass these days.that changes nothing.when the time is right,every true,practicing muslim will cease to exist.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  absolut1

Whether they are pedophiles, or not – right?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Dear lying muslum rat, pederasty is an anomaly in the Catholic Church — unlike in the muslum world where it is entirely legal:comment image

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

It In case you haven’t noticed (or the reportage is deliberately distorted) “pederasts are often “caned”. “beheaded”, or ” thrown off of tall buildings” (if not simply knifed or beaten to death by a close member of the victim’s family.) (The sanctimonious double standard about that in Christian society is astonishing!)

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Dear lying muslum rat, bacha bazi boys are commonplace across Pakistain, Iran and Afghanistain — as is the butt raping of boys.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a9eflcbz6yk/Udc1oixhqTI/AAAAAAAABzM/SE6WYjOybhg/s400/bauta50.jpg

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

What hallucinogenic are you on?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Wrong

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Hardly.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Prisons are not “overpopulated” – simply because what you have been stampeded into believing – simply isn’t true.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

So you being “stampeded”with an opposite opinion is the correct one? Prove it.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

You mean our Prison Reform Trust, charged with monitoring safety procedure in our prisons, is lying to us, and our government, pledging 5,000 more prison places , also ? http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/PressPolicy/News/Overcrowding

Sunshine Kid
Sunshine Kid
6 years ago

Charge all involved with child abuse. Make it simple.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Reply to  Sunshine Kid

5 year old raped in Idaho and the prosecutor attacks victim, and muslims get probation. http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/article142759434.html

Sunshine Kid
Sunshine Kid
6 years ago
Reply to  dad1927

Sad, isn’t it? Victimize the victim and her family and defend the guilty – it is the liberal way of what they think of as justice.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  dad1927

Letting that stand is one of America’s great disgraces of this century so far.

dad1927
dad1927
6 years ago
Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  dad1927

Which then has to be cut open on the wedding night for consummation to take place. No anaesthetic, usually a knife. After all he has rights and probably paid a dowry for this.

yael58
yael58
6 years ago

Liberals and many (not all) Muslims claim FGM has nothing to do with Islam, yet argue for it on the basis of religious freedom.
How does that work again?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  yael58

If anyone can explain the logic of the liberal ” rationale ” they would be hailed as the next messiah.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  yael58

Not the same people at both extremes. You paint everybody with the same brush. That is dishonesty.

yael58
yael58
6 years ago

The fact that you’re more upset that I “paint everybody with the brush” (I did no such thing) rather than the barbarity of FGM tells us a great deal about your priorities.
You sir, are the dishonest one.
Good day.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

You are a mohammedan troll. Get lost.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

It’s not my fault islum is a Jew hating, barbaric, totalitarian, vile, violent, fascist, Jew hating death cult lying muslum rat, nor is it the fault of any of the kafir al najjis. Nice try though.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

You are far too presumptuous to be taken seriously.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago

What health benefit does even male circumcision confer? If it did then,all non-Muslim un-circumscribed people would have suffered and that would have prompted universal practice of this procedure.There is hardly any benefit vis a vis sexual performance since a local anaesthetic can lengthen the period of intercourse by making the glans insensitive.The prepuce slides back with erection of the penis anyway.Have non-Muslim men’s wives demanded their husbands undergo this procedure ?Have they also rejected their non-Muslim husbands in favour of Muslim husbands by droves?

There are conflicting reports on the claimed benefits of a male circumcision.Coming back to female circumcision,there are only certain sects resort to this inhuman practice along with certain backward nations in Africa.

Robert Batchelor
Robert Batchelor
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

Please read Erica’s post below.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago

Thanks,Robert Batchelor.Please—after reading my reply to Ms.Erica,let me know if you wish to add anything.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

The vast majority of male circumcisions are performed for traditional and religious reasons. Medical uses have been cited for intervention, prevention and treatment of certain conditions, ( as women have preventative mastectomies–one similar example ) Yes you can have complications, everything carries a risk, stricture, bleeding, infection, sexual and psychological problems can be a result. Deaths are extremely rare. Modern thinking is that as the child does not consent, it constitutes child abuse. In Europe especially, moves are on towards banning it except on certifiable medical grounds, or only on consensual adults for religions. FGM has no medical reasons and vastly more complications and deaths of the victim herself and her child. In one year we had 5,500 FGM complications severe enough for them to merit NHS treatment, and believe me, most would not come near a foreign and possibly male doctor. We don’t have figures for our large private sector. We must have most of these backward African nations, and “certain sects “– in the UK. estimated 137,000 cases and rising fast, 166,000 in the US. If true, is a perfect argument for stringent vetting of all immigrants.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Thanks,Erica Ling.
My question is about whether it is necessary today,unless there is a structural defect.I didn’t make myself clear,though.
I am fully aware of the conditions in males( such as phimosis) which require circumcision,in prevention of HIV it is quite well established( but not in male homosexuals),in chancroid prevention–yes,in acquisition of HIV/HPV,HSV2 AND viral STDs-definitely.However,are these conditions considered in a new born male child?Were they known in Arabia during the Prophet’s time?Is universal/blanket circumcision for all male babies( just for the sake of tradition and religion–probably based on co-relation with penile cancers ) or slightly grown up boys justified?Is there any statistical data conclusively proving that non-Muslims contract infections very commonly or transmit to women definitely? Simple hygienic practices suffice.It is just generally accepted that incidence of STDs is less among circumcised men.The best prevention of STDs is abstinence with regard to an unknown partner and a devout Muslim is expected to do exactly this.In Saudi Arabia,during the Prophet’s time,due to shortage of water ,cleanliness was almost impossible leading to smegma formation and chronic irritation leading to penile cancers.Today,with sufficient water available,this practice can be questioned if the person adheres to simple hygienic measures.Nobody wants to question( loss of votes) the need of c.on traditional and religious grounds.In females,there are no grounds at all except for a cruel denial of sexual pleasure.There is a wide spread belief( which is why I mentioned local anaesthetic during intercourse) that exposed glans becomes insensitive,thereby prolonging ejaculation and prolonged time made available for reaching climax for a woman.In this case,all women would have( across all religions) insisted upon advocating circumcision for their partners as well as their sons ( before they grow up). It is THIS belief I have come across while interacting with Muslim men.They hardly could talk about developmental defects like phimosis and were unaware.About STDs,they simply claimed, as stated by me above, a good Muslim does not sleep around to contract diseases.

Many practices of any religion can be questioned with a scientific debate.Hence my question as to “health beneits”.

Robert Batchelor
Robert Batchelor
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

You’re going on and on—and you’re losing me. Are you simply saying circumcision should be banned?

Simba
Simba
6 years ago

Merely questioning as to why there is need of male circumcision,in the absence of any preexisting structural defects.Why certain traditions could not be debated and then of course left to the particular religious dispensation to take the final decision.My explanation is in the context of male circumcision being practiced universally as a cultural/traditional practice.Female circumcision should be made illegal.

Robert Batchelor
Robert Batchelor
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

Is there some law that I am unaware of that requires males to be circumcised? As far as I know, the decision to circumcise is left to the parents.

Totally agree on FGM. It’s an abomination.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago

Thanks again,R.B.

No modern society has nay such law,as far as I know.In Islam there could be–based on practical ( Prophet probably noted the causal connection between lack of water in the desert–lead to smegma formation under the foreskin–led to irritation–leading to penile cancers or infections) considerations at a particular juncture, but expressed as a religious concept and necessity( since people fear God so it’s easy to convince people by instilling that fear in their minds).

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

Tricky to address – but smegma can (and must) be removed with urine and/or dust. (The adult results of early-life circumcision vary greatly.) Pre-prayer ablutions very much accomodates realities – to the extent of mere symbolism in extreme instances. (The spiritual intent – supersedes the physical act itself.)

Simba
Simba
6 years ago

Thanks,R.B. I ma not aware of any such law in any civilized society.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

And female “circumcision” ( altho there is NO parallel) IS already “illegal” in every sovereign Muslim country that I know of – as well as many non/anti-Muslim countries. (The two issues have no place in a single conversation.)
(As to practical benefits – suffice it to say that as a matter of personal experience – I feel fortunate to have been circumcised at birth.)

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Male circumcision has been assumed to be legal worldwide, but with the increased concern over human rights, and the raised awareness of FGM, the legality of male circumcision is also being queried.Finland has successfully prosecuted both a Muslim woman and a Jewish couple 2006, and 2010 on the consent issue, claiming their attitude to circumcision is “non gender specific.” Germany prosecuted a Turk for circumcising 11 boys. Whilst Ireland tried and AQUITTED a man who circumcised a baby boy who died of haemorrhage and shock from it. Everywhere human rights, lack of consent , are being given as reason for banning it. So far, religious freedom is seen as the only valid reason for NOT banning it. The two are being linked already.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

I agree. The reasons are more emotive than practical or evidence based. And the NEED for male circumcision no longer applies, in a hygienic, informed society. Steroids and massage are the preferred treatment for even physiological phimosis, now.You have obviously researched this sexual aspect to some depth, my knowledge is superficial. But you would think the advantages of circumcision for female partners would have attracted more attention, especially from our feminists, in this age of demand for physical gratification. Don’t you find this ironic, when FGM ‘s purpose is to preserve a wife’s chastity by removing her enjoyment of sex, that her husband’s circumcision should facilitate / increase it ? Ultimately tradition will triumph over practicality. The laws tentatively proposed in Europe have already attracted vociferous opposition, and accusations of Islamophobia, anti-Semitism. The practice will probably become more popular, with this attempt at suppression.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Thanks,Ms.Ling.

You knowledge is not superficial and your understanding is perfect.The Feminists are always into polemics and contradicting others as well as themselves.They can be like the weathercock at other times.Votes are very important for all political parties and so even if after a debate ,the issue of male circumcision is left to the Muslim Ummah, the latter will not accept it and politicians of all Parties will backtrack.Now thankfully,if you have read reports from India,there is revolt.Thanks to the new gutsy Govt.there,many are rising up against this repressive,barbaric practice. Apparently,this sect among the Muslims is otherwise not a very staunch one .They ,reportedly,have to obey their Leader and if he is opposed,funds for education and medicare to the famil,burial place is denied to the entire family,hence the reluctance to come out against it–for probably centuries.It seems irrespective of ideology and other overt or covert reasons,men have been scared of women’s sexual needs.A man with greater than normal sexual drive is considered a macho model and a women a nymphomaniac/slut/whore etc.Hence,the suppression in practically all cultures.I read in the book of love and sex,from India,Kamasutra,surprisingly for the first time anywhere ,about the need to be gentle with women,respect their desire and not reject them or insult them with harsh words,to not disclose to anybody what transpired between a man and a woman.Yet another book of law in Hinduism–I am told by a friend-it’s said Gods dwell there where women are worshipped( worshipped mind well not just respected) and yet the society DOES NOT follow these diktats.All noble thoughts remain within a book. Sad.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

Our religions are as full of contradictions, or are interpreted in error as our social mores. I sometimes think the polytheists had the right idea. Goddesses were equal characters, neither better nor worse than Gods, which in turn engendered equality for mere mortals. They had all our failings too. We are taught we are made in God’s image, yet once the patriarchal, awesome, singular Abrahamic God arrived / was invented / revealed himself woman became a second class citizen, with the Virgin Mary thrown in as a sop, to keep us quiet. Interesting talking with you, Simba, only please, call me Erica, not Ms. It always seems to be “gender non specific.” Just old fashioned, me.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Thanks,Erica . I feel the same about religions.Religions were simultaneously based on beliefs and prejudices AND YET they also meant to make a better person out of a biped animal.However,they were misrepresented.Today,we have the Constitution and Laws.We don;t need religions.All religions had the same spiritual base which was forgotten and the superficial aspects were used to oppress certain sections of the society including women.We must remember,though,that Muslims wish to hold on to their religion and beliefs.Hence,we must be alert.They are not as magnanimous as we are and don’t wish to change.Rather,they would like to expand and invade.We drop our beliefs,they fill the vacuum. I have been consistently harping on our atheist women falling for handsome Muslim men and praising their religion.The reverse is not seen.

I am a person who believes–not in gender distinction but old world etiquette.Hence,I addressed you as Ms.Ling.No offense meant at all.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

Thanks,Dorrie.

Could you explain what I hadn’t heard?.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

Thanks again,Dorrie.I feel unless we directly experience our relationship with the Creator,it could still be belief in somebody(though a realized One) and a book which we do not know if it truly reflects the direct personal experience of God of the Realized One since it might have been modified after him.However,I appreciate your short and precise quips.Regards,

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

None taken. The only compensation for advancing age is being able to express one’s quirks. Not only atheist women, from media reports. Many of the jihadi attackers have Christian wives, or converts. My pet theory is that the perceived “feminising ” of western man has gone too far, too soon for their women. Now some hark back to the testosterone oozing , macho, action man who will show them what they want, not ask them. Understandable. Someone to make decisions, take complete control sounds quite appealing.The alternative, our culture, is the woman works full time, makes a career, babies, a home ,is janitor, decorator, laundress, cook, gardener, accountant, animal and human nurse, social secretary, mistress, surrogate mother, Jiminy Cricket and all while pretending to be helpless and dependent, to bolster his ego. The first scenario has its drawbacks, the last, its compensations, a halo perhaps ? From a similar mindset, apparently a website exists where personable female University graduates can meet discerning rich men with a view to marriage. So they have the brains to get a degree in something, then opt out of using it, in favour of an indolent life of luxury, frivolity and alimony. Incredible !

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Whoa! Ask a combat veteran how long it sometimes was between showers and clean underwear.
And your assumption that “feminists” represent any acceptance of – or committment to – genuine female sexual experience and satisfaction – is the opposite of reality.
If not the active (or latent) Lesbians that I assume them to be – their “message” is that: “We control the pussy, and if you want it – it is going to cost you dearly (both emotionally and financially)”.
(Give me an honest sex-professional EVERY TIME!)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Right, “Give me” that sums up muslims everywhere for everything.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Well surely that “female” dominance / control would be piqued by demanding men undergo surgery to win the ” pussy” as you so prettily phrase it ? They self advertise and are believed by too many naïve darlings as the only women who care about women. As to male hygiene in combat (or even training ! ) I was an army nurse ! Our SAS were in an alternate universe , coming out of ops. I believed we were discussing the normal, set up in our countries, you know, sinks, baths, showers available, as opposed to Biblical times. Although with thousands homeless, sofa sailing, and in hostels, overcrowded homes, the consequences of poor hygiene are probably on the increase, here. I concede you that. TB has trebled. I thought it was nigh eradicated.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Thanks for a reasonable response. You mention tuberculosis. Malaria and yellow fever were on the brink of extermination – until DDT was banned world-wide because it was discovered to be associated with the decline of brown pelicans. (Strange priority.) A close friend’s 10 years daughter died of yellow fever – because they hadn’t seen a case of it for so many years that they didn’t diagnose it soon enough.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

Unless you are yourself Muslim – extremely few Muslim men will discuss this issue frankly. To do so is known to invite insult and unwarranted criticism. There are no genuine religious constraints against “sleeping around” to answer male’s biological needs – but being on the defensive about this (beginning with the “colonial era”) Muslim men have had to develope a degree of “gun shyness” in conversations with non-Muslims. (Better for everybody concerned – to avoid challenging their delusions and hypocrisies.)
Modern Muslims have learned that there is a very fine line between envy and hatred in the western psyche. Arabs (in particular) have a long tradition of hospitality and all aspects of it to any non-threatening guest. This extends to conversation – where the non-Muslims’ feelings and bigotry are also now understood and respected.
I’ve lived among Arabs for five decades – and the arrogance and presumption of “my fellow Americans” astonished and shamed me the last time – as much as it did the first time I witnessed an example of it.
We expect humility of other societies – and no instinct at all to reciprocate.
Probably long out of print – but a good insight into this was the focus of a book “The Ugly American” (maybe authored by a man named “Lederer”).

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

How many Jews live in Arabpig states lying muslum rat? What happened to the formerly large and prosperous Jewish populations of:
1. Syria
2. Baghdad (that once had a Jewish majority)
3. Egypt

Where was all this infamous Arabpig “hospitality” for them?
Why are the percentage of non-muslims in ALL muslum states (incl. Arabpig states) in continuous decline?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Simple – they were displaced by progress and change. (Standard feature of history
You cling to the facts of today – and you will be steam-rollered by the facts of tomorrow.
If you hope to influence your destiny – best that you engage in it intelligently and make the best compromise with reality.
Being butt-hurt and name-calling just insures that you will NOT have a seat on the commission that makes the decisions.
If the Jews were ever the “majority” of Baghdad – it must have not have amounted to much. Nobody else is responsible for the mistakes they have made (and continue to do so). There is even a limit to the amount of the BS that their strongest supporters will put up with and continue to finance.
I was disgusted with Obama all along – but never so much as when Netanyahu insulted him (and ALL of us). If Obama had an iota of pride as POTUS of the USA – he would have had Netanyahu frog-marched onto the next EL AL flight to Tel-Aviv – and not another penny of “aid” until he was fired and his replacement come to the WH (yarmulke in hand), with an abject apology.
If we can’t even stand up to our Jew parasite – how the hell do you think we can stand up to the Muslims? (So much – for “America First”!)

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

“displaced by progress and change.” Your Al Taqiyya needs a LOT more work muslum rat.
Nice try playing the typical muslum game of blame the Jew too.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

You lost me on that reply. Progress and change ? Next you’ll be saying the same thing of Germany 1930s-45. And no one has the right to interfere in Israel’s internal affairs . Insult Obama ? Impossible to be derogatory enough. Even experts cannot agree the M.E., never mind the rest of the world is more secure, or peaceful since JCPOA was agreed, with the shift in power rattling the Saudis, and having bankrolled Iran backed jihadi groups.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Did you read the question my words replied to? The guy exaggerated the size of Jewish communities and then implies that they were decimated by Arabs over some vague period in history. Communities (entire empires and civilizations) come and go throught history for too many different reasons to list. Most commonly bad choices and an inability to adapt to changing realities (or even in climate and genetics).
Hell! I don’t know what happened to Jews in the Muslim world! Maybe they WERE exterminated (just like Christians exterminated Native Americans in the 1800’s. They made wrong choices and couldn’t adapt to change, either).
The Jews have largely brought their calamities upon themselves (mostly by their greed, contrariness, treachery, and not least of all – their conviction that they are simply “better than anybody else”) and are therefore immune from the norms of society that everybody else adapts and lives by.)
What happened in Europe in the 1930’s and 1940’s has nothing to do with anything today (and in any event certainly can’t be blamed on the Muslims!)
I’m increasingly frustrated by the constant charges that Trump is a replica of Hither and that he is going to re-build the USA as a Fascist nation.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Who says he exaggerates ? By your own admission, you don’t know about the Jewish communities in Muslim lands yet presume to call his statement exaggeration, Now that is bias.Try these http://www.meforum.org/263/why-jews-fled-the-arab-countries. and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries Did he claim Jews were a a majority? They were a significant , contributory group.in whichever country they graced, some since the fall of the second temple, and diaspora.Some one here will tell me his name, a Jew even was called the father of national literature in one of them, and in Muslim Spain. As for that “victims responsible for their fate ” BS, that’s been the excuse for Jewish persecution for millennia. Don’t mention Jewish “arrogance ” while they have lived quietly in every country without demanding it change to suit them, unlike the arrogant Muslim. This, plus the idiot subservient attitude of our liberal , left wing politicians in allowing mass, unvetted immigration, to stretch our already burdened resources. is why anti Muslim resentment occurs, why it has flared into incidents–that and terrorists who shout Alluhu Akbar before killing us. Denial from both communities does not help. Apart from the Orthodox, can anyone distinguish a Jew from a European, usually ? What superiority, except by their own brains used for innovation, science, etc. What happened in Germany, with collusion from the world, is totally relevant today. And had Hitler won, would have been perfected in the Arab world. The Mufti of Jerusalem made that clear. He was the still revered founder of Palestine. The ancient superstitious, church led hysterical fear of Jews still exists, now whipped up and “legitimised ” by Muslim hate, and the existence of the Jewish state found in the minds and hearts , impervious to legislation or the nostra aetate of the Catholic Church, I still find morons parroting Jews killed Christ. Trump, daft or not,at least is not led by some ideology other than money , business. and love of his country. At least that’s honest

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Wow! Another hateful, mis-informed, polemic.
Study some common history. “Palestine” was the area now broken up into Lebanon,Syria, Jordan, and the tiny amount left over which was called “Palestine” in the League Of Nations documentation giving it to Ashkenazic Jews (with the proviso that indigenous residents would not suffer -Hah!) and referred to as the “Palestine Mandate” administered by Britain thru the transition.
It had existed as a recognized geographical feature in atlases for centuries – and continued to be so right thru the 1970’s.
The Mufti of Jerusalem was not “the founder of Palestine”. (Preposterous!) He did seek reasurrances that Nazi Germany would not honor the League of Nations dictate if they won WW2. (To avoid the genocide that the Palestinians have subsequently suffered – and continue to do so.) End of story, but not the pro-Zionist propaganda.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

palestinians are the cause of their own misery, because they are stupid, even for muslims they are well below the stupid minimum, level.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

I was so eager to find a rational, decent Muslim on here, albeit one who claims to be atheist, you almost fooled me. You can take the man out of Islam, but not Islam out of the man. Love your revisionist’s history of Amin al- Husseini. Documents are still being discovered in German archives. One of 15 drafts sent to Hitler asks that when the Axis win the war they “accord to Palestinian and other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries ,in accordance with the interests of the Arabs and BY THE SAME METHODS THAT THE QUESTION IS NOW BEING SETTLED IN THE AXIS COUNTRIES.” Remember the Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS Brigade 13 he raised. Singled out for praise from Hitler for their zeal and efficacy in hunting down and killing Jews . I don’t claim he founded Palestine—Abbas and the PA still claim him as “father of Palestine “, even if the PLO sidelined him. He is given credit for his “role in introducing radical anti-Semitism into Islamic fundamentalism.”, but I maintain that was like taking coals to Newcastle (centre of coal mining—once.) You rather prove that theory. Rational until the Jewish question rears its emotive head. Amusing yet pathetic that I probably know more history re. the Jews in the M.E. than you, I have no tribal axe to grind, still willing and eager to learn. What is the difference between fundamental Islam and fundamental Christianity ? Perhaps a veneer of sophistication, the appearance of a few more grey cells, certainly more activity in the former than the latter, who lack the incentive for suicide bombers.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

All of your statements indicate that you are looking for someone with credibility to agree with you. I couldn’t support all the lies and distortions – even If I HATED them. I have only honestly shared my personal observations and experiences. You will have to look for a “tame” liar elsewhere.
I’m not your man – and you could have understood that from the first thing you read of me.
R.e. Imam Husseini: What would YOUR approach have been – to someone with the potential to prevent your country being given away to foreigners with no compatibility at all? (What if European Jews had been given a “homeland” somewhere in the U.S.? Several places were considered besides Palestine.)
Lol! Easy to be “generous” with somebody ELSE’S homeland of thousands of years – isn’t it?
Never entered your mind that the only thing you have been ALLOWED to hear: Is the Israeli side (which has cost you uncountable Billions).

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Hilarious. But thanks for reiterating the Arab / Muslim position. So as well as the individual slaughter of innocents being condoned–nay, believed justified , to reclaim a remnant of land where a continuous Jewish presence was recorded for thousands of years, you now admit that genocide on the Nazi model, as sought by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, is also perfectly acceptable — another aspect of “freedom fighting “. The veneer of civilisation wears thin, doesn’t it ? What’s this “allowed to hear ” ? I read the rants on the Electronic Intifada and such sites. (life would be boring without a good laugh now and then) Al -Jazeera, while informative on neutral subjects, shares your views, more openly. Then there are the “new Islam ” type sites. I have catholic (as opposed to Catholic ) tastes in reading material. As you say, I may read all those lies and distortions, but I don’t have to support them.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Hilarious. But thank you for reiterating the Arab / Muslim stance. So what you believe is that in order to “liberate ” a tiny strip of land, where continuous Jewish presence has been recorded for thousands of years, it is not only permissible, nay, justified to slaughter individual Jewish (and any who get in the way ), innocents, BUT also to perpetrate genocide (cleansing) on the Nazi model , (of which Husseini had first hand knowledge, having been shown and approved the Nazi model in action as Hitler’s guest ). You could not make it plainer. Civilization is a thin veneer, isn’t it ?But what’s this “allowed to hear “? Western media, especially our once incorruptible BBC, are so infatuated with their fantastic version of the Religion of peace” they cannot bring themselves to even report factual events if they appear detrimental to that invention. No, don’t fool yourself. I did not seek approbation of my opinions from you. I could easily get that on PG sites –except when I play Devil’s advocate—but rather a rare specimen I could hold up before everyone as an example of a truly “moderate, rational Muslim. You see, most on here doubt such an anomaly exists, whereas I have always hoped. I actually have catholic (rather than Catholic ) web reading tastes. Electronic Intifada provides me with ribald amusement and affirmation of the general gullibility of man, Al Jazeera, on neutral subjects can add a new dimension , otherwise spouts the same routine as you. Then there are the sites describing themselves as “new Islam”, selling it to the infidel ! As you say, I can read the other version, but couldn’t support all those lies and distortions. But this may amuse you. Wish I knew who authored it. Deserves a prize for humorous fiction. http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/circumcision/response.html

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Muslim immigrant rapists believe that all non-Muslim and uncovered women can be lawfully taken for sexual use; hence rape and sexual assaults are justified. Appearance, particularly for women, is an important aspect of Sharia Islamic law. Modesty is how women achieve honor and to appear in anything revealing brings shame not only for her but for the entire family. Almost all Muslim governments encourage and even legally obligate women to dress modestly: at a minimum to wear a headscarf, in some countries a veil and in others a full body covering.

Uncovered women are viewed as prostitutes and adulterers and the prevailing attitude is that if an uncovered woman is raped she asked for it. In September 2006 in a Ramadan sermon on adultery, Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric blamed immodestly dressed women who don’t wear hijab for being preyed on by men. Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali alluded to the infamous Sydney gang rapes in 2000, committed by a group of fourteen Lebanese Australian men, and suggested the attackers were not entirely to blame. Sheik Hilali said: “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem.” That is the psychology of Muslim refugees who have been welcomed into Sweden in extraordinary numbers.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Eugene Burdick and William J. Lederer . A surprisingly influential book in its day, its message more usual now. I was in a dither about it- in part it clashed with my adolescent love affair with America, but I had to admit it made sense. Still in print , still popular, like … Mockingbird.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Simba

But there IS a ” health benefit” – (because evolution did not anticipate CLOTHING and will lag behind for countless more generations). My STD screeners tell me that they are far less apt to find an infection (of any kind) in a properly-circumcised patient. There are other physiological benefits that the prevailing taboos do not allow me to venture into.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago

I am aware of these and yet with these very benefits,all non-Muslims would have been advised by family physicians to go for it.

Simba
Simba
6 years ago

The other physiological/sexual benefits you are alluding to would have been highlighted by women( through family physicians or any direct-indirect means) for their men to learn and adopt even for their sons.Also,all women would have rushed to marry Muslims or a circumcised men.There are conflicting reports about the efficacy( vis a vis STDs) in the age of hygiene and hygienic practices.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Get your std screeners to check you for brain damage as caused by syphilis.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

“There are other physiological benefits that the prevailing taboos do not allow me to venture into”. Specifically, what? Did you not say that you would answer questions? Please proceed.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

” Proceed ” – into wHAT? You still have not asked me a specific, single-issue question. Gosh! You sound like a CNN reporter at a Presidential Press Conference.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Like every other idiot muslim, you are incapable of answering a direct question because firstly you are incapable of doing so, any reply would make you look as stupid as the qur’an you are supporting, and as is mandatory in islam, you have to lie, to make it look better, when in fact you are making it look ridiculous. Like all muslims, as you cannot answer any questions, you have to try and divert, walk away, shout down the questioner or try to silence them. Not so easy to do on the internet in print is it bachata boy. You cannot say I hate any religion, as islam is not a religion, I merely consider it ridiculous to the degree of violent criminal insanity. You do not need to tell me about life, having spent decades engineering in heavy industry, I have the first idea about how it is to be in an alien world and hostile environment, while raising a few kids in my spare time.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Yes and stoning adulterers to death is A-OK because muhamMUD saw a bunch of monkeys doing it.

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6 years ago

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The Last English Prince
The Last English Prince
6 years ago

I have a friendship with a Dawoodi Bohra, and it is a very orthodox Islamic sect. Yes, it is an Islamic custom.

We need policies which require a gyn consult on underage female members of families seeking to migrate. This must be done at the end of the vetting process to assure that a female child is not swapped for the exam. If mutilated, no migration. Now I do not believe this should apply to the mother because the decision was forced upon on her long ago. But if the mother has perpetuated a ritualistic form of child abuse, the chain of abuse must be stopped. A strong signal can be sent from the U.S. DOJ: If you whack off your daughter’s clitoris, you are not welcome here.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

France has the right idea. Since 1983 law banning FGM, allowing 10-15 years prison, they have jailed about 100, and prosecuted many more, giving out suspended sentences. Dr . Emmanuelle Piet, gynaecologist and County Medical Officer, St. Denis “I’ve seen what FGM does and frankly I don’t give a damn about cultural sensitivities. It’s more important to prevent a violent crime being committed against a child or woman. People talk of culture and traditions, but children have a fundamental human right not to be mutilated. It’s racist to think otherwise. Can you imagine the outcry if this was happening to white, blonde girls ?” Atta girl. Far as I know, she’s still alive March 2017 and kept her job. In this country she would have got the bum’s rush out the door, never to be employable again.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

I’m surprised any muslum has been imprisoned for FGM, but in reality, it all amounts to nothing more than re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Demographics is destiny — as Daniel Greenfield opined.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Frankly, so was I, seeing I bad mouth the Europeans en masse. But they are trying, more than us. 5 have banned the burqa or niqab in public. Not us. It must be like taking in a stray, because you pity it. Then it craps on your bed, bites the kids, empties the fridge. ( We once adopted an Irish wolfhound on death row–just like that ) What do you do ?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

There’s nothing to do except hope for a civil war/revolution and continue quick draw shooting and target practice.
I wouldn’t say Fwance is any better off than the United Kaliphate.

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago

Average IQ Muslim 80… room temperature
Average IQ Somalian and Ethiopian ( they are Islamic) : 60… that’s mentally retarded

Islamic do dumb things because that’s what they do . They are mentally challenged.

Imbeciles never do smart things…
Pause for a second and think:
Do you have any clue how retarded you have to be to blow yourself up thinking you will go to see Allah and screw a bunch of 8 year old girls… EVEN A MONKEY HAVE MORE COMMON SENSE.
So why are we so surprised…..

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  C.Martel

Correction: Only a small minority of Ethopians are Muslim – and life is very difficult for them. It is my (dubious) impression that the prevalent religion of Ethiopia is a primitive Jewish one (The “Falasha” tribe) – and they are recognized as Jews by Israel. Ethiopian Emperor Hailie Selassie referred to himself as “The Lion Of Judah” and the basis of Rastapherian West Indian steel-band music also is rooted in primitive Afro-Ethiopian Jewishness. (According to leading originators and leading artists of the genre.)
(This applied during the 1970’s when I lived in the area – and may no longer be true.)
But to refer to Ethopians as “Islamic” is grossly erroneous .

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Most Ethiopian Jews have made aliyah to Israel.

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago

Actually you are correct.
I checked your claim and only 33.9 % are Islamic. It thought it was more.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  C.Martel

I was NOT correct! I should have Googled “Ethiopian Demographics” for an update BEFORE I wrote that. (For which I apologize.)
Indeed: Much HAS changed over 5 recent decades!
Just as you say: Islam is 34% (up CONSIDERABLY) – and Jews aren’t mentioned at all.
Now I have to do a bit of research – because that may explain why Ethiopia failed so miserably to conquer Somalia only a couple of years ago – when WashDC had given it the green light (and a lavish subsidy) to invade, occupy, and eventually rule – Somalia.
If anything – it seems that the Somalis are just as tough as the Afghanis are, (and the Vietnamese as well.)
Whatever: Ethiopia couldn’t crack that nut, and threw in the towel after only a few months. (If Muslims are now 1/3 the population of Ethiopia – there must have been considerable resentment to invading and taking over a Muslim country “back home”.)
(Ethiopia has always resented being land-locked from saltwater by Muslim Eritrea, Muslim Somalia, and tiny Muslim Djibouti (now virtually a “U.S. Possession” and probably as “ethnically cleansed” as Guam and Diego Garcia are.)

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago

I am a history major and hate to make a statement that is not checked over and over. So I read Ethiopia and it will change my views but still chocked they have so many Muslim, but then again we can’t throw stone at a glass house. EU Islamic population has exploded…thanks to our sold out politicians

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  C.Martel

The numbers are not all that important, it is who is controlling the population that is.

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

100 % correct

absolut1
absolut1
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

most seem to become muslim because in most cases,they will be killed as a kafir or apostate if they do not……in many instances,it seems they have already been raped.they seem to have no options,but we in the civilized world have…..options.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  absolut1

I have no reaon to believe that what you say is true – and I recognize that people do what their hearts and minds tell them to do. We have seen fit to send our invincable military to destroy 4 countries that posed no threat to us – or anybody else -and we still tefuse to accept that they are responding with notjing more than their “hearts and minds. The ONLY party that can influence this disaster – is ourselves. But we are simply too “proud” to admit thar our policy was wrong, recognize that it has created the monster of ISIS -and that the only “answer” is to admit defeat ( just as we did in vietnam) and back out of it as gracefully as possible. ( UNTHINKABLE ! – Isn’t it?) ( WHY?)

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Surely all the apologists in the west, the left wing parties, liberal thinkers, most of us, do admit the 2nd Gulf War , Libya, Afghanistan if not errors of judgement in starting, were definitely irresponsible in the manner of leaving ? They were all unfinished business. We should have learned from McArthur and Japan. ( one of our rare successes, and boy, was he opposed on that policy )You do not whup ’em and walk out, leaving a vacuum. But to acknowledge error is one thing, to abase ourselves and offer them our necks is quite another. After Vietnam , our soldiers were dishonoured, we were ashamed , not just of losing, but the facts emerging, but I do not recall this depth of loss of identity, values, self doubt, this self destruction. Hardly a ” graceful back out.” Exactly how much do we have to yield to satisfy the disturbed hornets ? Remember a lot of this violence is internecine, begun when the West first intruded modernity into the Ottoman Empire, and choices had to be made or rejected by Islam. We just provided the excuse and the scapegoat, by our own stupidity. We still do not understand them, are still trying to make excuses, fit their amorphous entities into square boxes of our making.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

…and choices had to be made or rejected by Islam.” Ideologies do not make decisions as they are abstract concepts. You did an excellent job side-stepping the fact that it’s f’ing muslums that are the problem, because islum can’t kill/persecute/enslave anyone, only f’ing muslums can do that.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Izzy you can’t have it every which way ! You called me a Muzzy loving rat for maintaining individual Muslims can appreciate our culture, not all were Islamists. Islam is the power of Muslims, like a pride of lions etc. Individually they have little power and less inclination to take on the West. Individually they might change, the whole prevents them.United by tales of Mohammad, they are supplanting us. Our governments think of them as one unit, not tribes, cults, individuals. Think Lord of the Rings. “One ring (Islam) to rule them all, One ring(IOC, CAIR, etc.. ) to find them, One ring (hijjra )to bring them all, And in the darkness bind them.”

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  absolut1

Yes, where Islam is in power, or protected and promoted, as Mahou states, but how do we account for those reared as free thinking ,westernized, intelligent ? citizens, many women ? https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/04/robert-spencer-what-is-it-about-converts-to-islam And not all nutters who use it as excuse, or vehicle for violence. Many seem oblivious to the negative side.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  C.Martel

I was also “shocked” ( but should not have been, knowing that historically Islam only spreads when under stress or attack).
Please try to understand that the influx of Muslim refugees into Europe is the direct result of the destruction of their homelands by western military agression (USA and our NATO surrogates.) Of ALL European countries – France and Germany should have expected it – from past experience.
I agree with the Trump policy – but he did it so clumsily that it was doomed from the beginning. Either he has incompetent legal advisors – or he ignores them (either way it is troubling -and even with the best of intentions – a competent SCOTUS may not salvage the (otherwise prudent and well-intended policy.) Ever more reason to also give rhe UN the “boot”. – in every sense of the word.

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago

Putting all emotions aside and looking at straight facts, I knew that and know that and you are correct.
However if any educated party such as yourself apparently is blind to the facts that there is deliberates efforts to spread Islam for the sole sake of spreading Islam is one of the things that angers me and fighting.
For example the Islamic oil rich nations who are sitting on 35 trillion in cash ( yes with aT), after spending on their orgies and obscene life style of gold plated Lamborghini ( seen it) , jets , 1000 s of whores and wild parties and playing MR “Saint Muslim “in public, they spend hundreds of millions to finance terror , various Islamic organizations ( like CAIR) , financing obscene $50 million building mosques in our nations. However do not make 1 effort to bringing refugees ( their own Islamic brothers and sister supposedly ). Not to mention they keep their own population in misery and ignorance using Islam as a tool to do so, and label themselves as “kings” ( tribal chief most of them were), while they live like greedy pigs.
You can’t deny any of that.
And btw in case wonder how I know that , I run a hedge fund and I am in the finance circle.
Secondly/ the other thing that angers me is the obvious refusal to adapt to our nations and OUR laws and wanting to impose their Easy ; they don’t like it here : LEAVE. But I don’t want “burkas ” ( a general analogy) shoved in our faces it is offensive to us .
Third / the Islamic attitude in general of disrespect and disregard for our nations and beliefs.
Ps: it is a pleasure to debate with a logic open minded and educated fellow.
Finally : I live in the US but was born in France and grew up in Italy, when I came to the US for college and decided to stay , I made a 100 % effort to completely adapted. I did blow up any one because they did eat ” foie gras “… get it ????

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago

Bottom line is :
Adapt to your GRACEFUL GUEST COUNTRY, cause our politicians might have made s few bucks for themselves spreading war all over but we THE PEOPLE did NOT ASK FOR Millions of Islamic refugees TO COME HERE
2/ Stop shoving your right to wear your towel on you head , suing our companies, crying foul when people are offended by your burka ghost uniform to make your Islamic point . If you are hell bent on wearing that crap to to be original or make your Islamic point to us ,
I have a simple suggestion : GO BACK TO YOUR ISLAMIC COUNTRY YOU CAME FROM WHERE YOU WILL BE STONED FOR NOT WEARING THAT DUMB CRAP.
It’s that simple.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  C.Martel

What right do you have to assume that I am an immigrant? My mother’s side has been here for at least 200 years and my dad was 1/2 Seminole Indian (I officially have “head rights” should I ever wish to claim them.)
But none if that is important to me (or you) so long as I’m a citizen by birth. Anybody can worship as they please – and wear any clothing that is decent.
(You have no voice in the matter – only a bigoted opinion.) We are a nation of immigrants and we will forever be a nation of immigrants.
Go soak your head. Maybe it will relieve some of the soreness. ( And while you’re at it – learn some facts about Muslim countries before you mouth off about them. Nobody is punished in any way for wearing modern western clothing.

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago

I was not assuming anything but speaking in generality but since the true Muslim comes faced by the truth.
I have learned about your sect
The facts about your SECT you cant even argue, the best you will be able to say is ” you are racist”

Islam the black plague of humanity and civilizations

1/ Islam is a sect not a religion
2/ your prophet was a low life degenerate murderer and pedophile who had 11 wives all under the age of 8. Had orgies with young boys and commited counteless atrocities. And thats youe example
3/ the koran is nothing more than the rule book for murder and atrocity
4/ Wherever Islam has ever went and goes they leavE nothing behind but corpses, PESTILENCE and destruction. NO EXCEPTION.
3/ Islam has mudered 270 milllion people since its creation.
4/ There are NO properous islamic country on the planet. NOT 1, 56 country ruled by islam ALL complete miserable oppressive s ..holes, hence why YOU are coming to OUR christian nation seeking refuge,food and shelter, so the least you can do is say THANK YOU.
We did not ask for you all to come here , so like I said if you insist on wearing your Islamic absurd and offensive “‘costume” to make your stupid point expect to be look down upon ( rightfully so) but better , if you are not happy GO BACK TO THE ISLAMIC S HOLE YOU CAME FROM YOU WILL BE STONED FOR NOT WEARING IT.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

“Nobody is punished in any way for wearing modern western clothing”. You don’t follow anything in the media do you? Your constant and consistently ridiculous statements about islam are that of an illiterate.

Pathfinder0100
Pathfinder0100
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Now– now Mahou–ya know that ya can’t fix stupid!!

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

So my government is obviously hyperventilating when they issue these (2017) updated guidelines re. Saudi Arabia, flagship Muslim country ?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  C.Martel

There have been multiple cases of gang rape in the UAE — and not a SINGLE one of the muslum rapists has ever been arrested and charged w/ANY crime whatsoever but the female victims have been incarcerated for committing adultery.

C.Martel
C.Martel
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Thank you for proving my point
That all Islamics country are miserable oppressive s holes

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

You are a liar which is part and parcel with being a muslim. Many of the rapugees going to EU are not from war torn countries by the way. Also Islam has been conquering more advanced civilizations for 1500 years, how do you think your female hating cult grew but by convert or die and rape jihad. And how do you think that islam stays afloat but by apostasy laws. If the the citizens of islamic countries were to overthrow the islamic theocracies that rule their countries and apostasy was banned, islam would disappear overnight. Islam is a lie built on lies and truth is the one thing it can not withstand.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Your tenuous grasp of reality is rapidly slipping away.

Duchess of Pork
Duchess of Pork
6 years ago

You really do need to watch the dynamic battle maps in Dr Bill Warner’s video “Why we are afraid.” It will help you to understand that history did not begin with the 2003 invasion of Iraq or even with the Sykes-Pico agreement.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago

Why do you assume that I am unaware of history? (Don’t put words in my mouth.)
My only point is that nothing has been learned because we will not allow ourselves to consider another viewpoint and recognize our mistakes.
So the tragedy goes on and on with the same mistakes repeated over and over.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

A f’ing muslum complaining about ethnic cleansing? Ever heard of the concept of hypocrisy muslum rat?

absolut1
absolut1
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

it seems to be the time to cleanse the entire planet of the nasty,1400 year old thing called islam.it has nothing to do with ethnicity or race.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

I have repeatedly explained that after 30 years as a Christian and 40 years as a Muslim I had to face up to the fact that both are equal BS. Sorry if you missed that. Problem IS – that there’s no name to adopt that will identify me as the Atheist that I am (and in reality always have been). In the meantime – you are welcome to call me whatever gives you a thrill.
I have endured bigotry for 70 years without harm – and will continue to do so for several more (minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years,) remaining to me – while I watch you gullible fools blowing hard and pissing into the wind, (No skin off of MY ass.)

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Funny how you never mention the ongoing ethnic cleansing being committed by f’ing muslums allah over the Mid-East, N. Africa and W. Papua New Guinea.
As for bigotry against f’ing muslums? Don’t make me laugh.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

I don’t mention it because it doesn’t exist as an acceptable facet of any
society.
(The rare instances that do exist – are the result of the same kind of hysteria and mob-rule that is being instigated against Muslims in our own society.)
Nobody promotes it more cleverly and enthusiastically than you do.
(I can’t imagine what satisfaction you derive from it – but there are all kinds of perversions, and that seems to be a popular one these days. You have a lot more in common with ISIS than you admit to.)

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Your “rare instances ” is disputed by even such a left wing paper as the Guardian, who are usually pretty reluctant to join in the “hysteria “. Christian monitor groups estimate a Christian killed every 11 minutes, predominantly although not exclusively.by Muslims. http://christiantoday.com.au/news/one-christian-is-killed-every-11-minutes-uk-parliament-told.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/27/dying-for-christianity-millions-at-risk-amid-rise-in-persecution-across-the-globe. Your years within and studying Islam has obviously engendered some loyalty and blunted your objectivity. You are human. Conversely there are instances of persecution and killing of Muslims in various countries, where they form minority groups. Not on this same scale or intent to cleanse.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

I must defer to my life experiences. If that clouds my “objectivity” – so be it.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Taqiyya, you do realize you are not the only person to look at islam, whether you studied it or not is very debatable.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

If course I’m not the only one to “look”. The thing that makes us a species composed of individuals – is the very fact that each of us has the ability to see the same thing differently.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

That is only part of it. Most of humanity are willing to live and let live, with variances and other opinions tolerated. islam does not, as it is clearly and repeatedly stated in islam to kill any who oppose it. The death penalty is the most common punishment in islam.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

What about your ass? How about your goat?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

You have an unfair advantage. Neither your name nor avatar indicates your gender (and for purposes of debate it makes a HUGE difference!)
Care to tell me something about who I am chatting with?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Are you really that unobservant, do take a look at my profile, as the obvious is giving you a lot of trouble, I am female. How does know gender make any difference in debate? Now you are being condescending, which is another trait of an arrogant ignorant muslim. As the term “girl” is half on my avatar name, it would appear your ability to do basic research on the internet is nonexistent. What are you? Male, female or other?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

You flatter yourself that I would bother to look at your profile (most don’t have any useful info, anyway).
And gender makes ALL the difference – usually.
Were does “girl”appear in “Mahou Shoujo”? ( Gosh! And a lot of you bitch that “Muslims don’t assimilate”.)
If your research about Islam has barely scratched the surface – you would know that “Mustafa” is the third most common male name after “Mohammed”, and “Ali”. (Out of about a hundred on here – you are the first that didn’t understand that.)
Never mind my sexuality – but suffice it to say that I have fucked a lot of “oriental” women that seemed to be a helluva lot nicer than you are.
(Go have a fragrant douche and calm down.)

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Your arrogant ignorant condescending attitude is typical of a low intelligent sub human muslim. As you are far too stupid to find out anything about the subject you are braying about, that would indicate you have spent some time as a muezzin. There is no more reason for me to look up various arabic words the there is for you to look up Japanese ones, which there is no doubt you are incapable of doing. Why do you think I don’t know “mustafa” is a male name? Many bacha bazi boys are named mustafa. You presume I think you are telling the truth, which as is common knowledg, e is a nonexistent trait among muslims. Of course you have fucked a lot of oriental women, or to be more accurate, they fucked you real good, as evidence of having that happen to your head is paramount. (Go have a pork lard enema and smarten up)

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Your words: “What are you? Male, female, or other?” I thought it was a straight question and I gave it a straight answer. (Don’t blame ME if you sound stupid.)
Ooooh! “Bacha bazi boys” sounds like fun! Where does one find them? And you say they are Muslim? (At least I know they would be clean.)
Hmmm – maybe Japan is worth a visit – after all.
Japanese whores: Tight, petite, little things. Very Nice! Very Polite! Great experience! Well worth the money!
“Pork lard (is there any other kind of lard?) enema”? What does THAT do?
We have a popular product called “Preparation H” here in America. I think you need some. Might improve your attitude.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

You are starting to exhibit all the symptoms of attention deficit syndrome, ask your imam if Ritalin is right for you. You appear to be about 70 years old, a few nice oriental girls will take very good care of you, die broke, but with a smile, for the first time in your life, as Japanese girls are not surgically mutilated you get everything, in your case it will not take long as muslims suffer from premature ejaculation, which is why they wear loose fitting slots that mop up the slime trail they leave behind them.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

What the HELL are you talking about? “Ritalin”?, “Imam”?, “Premature ejaculation”? “Slime trail”? You are a total waste of time. Good Bye.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Cut and run bawaaark buck cluck cluck, behold the chicken of mutgonad, police beat upon him, waddles off in full retreat. There there, don’ take getting beaten by a mere girl personally, you can’t help being stupid, alla made you that way, deal with it.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

When will you stop orating and start chatting?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

When you get serious and stop with the gratituous insults?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

After what you wrote you complain about “gratituous (sic) insults.”? If muslums didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any standards at all…

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

When you learn how to keep your word, and use commonly agreed on english definitions of words and terms, yes. Your demonstration of the six official islamic lying techniques does not enable conversation.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

Mustafa, I may disagree with you on many aspects, but certainly know the feeling. We are the piggies in the middle. All religions hate Atheists, just some can’t be bothered to heave us up to the tops of high buildings only to kick us off. And it’s against most city byelaws anyway. (littering) Spot fines in UK. Fundamental Christianity is the couch potato variety, Fundamental Islam the active. One screams and swears at you, the other just kills you. Witness two specimens on here.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

No “complaint” at all. Incontrovertible fact of life. If it is on your conscience – calling me “muslim rat” doesn’t mitigate for it. Since you didn’t bother to challenge the fact – how do you explain or justify it?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

2006. I find that confusing. WikiLeaks make a clear case of US duplicity, funding, training , pushing a reluctant Ethiopia into that war on Somalia, while claiming to restrain them. Other reports blame the Union of Islamic Courts, by their annexation of part of Somalia and declaring sharia law, whereupon Ethiopia sent troops, along with the African Union peacekeepers with US air support ? I know splintering of ICU spawned Al Shabaab who hate the US. Chicken / egg or the US making bad worse ?Bless ’em. End result –humiliated Ethiopia, ongoing unrest in Somalia, 20,000 dead, 2 million rootless and roofless, breeding ground for more violence.I believe Diego Garcia was ours ( UK ) using “remnants of the Royal Prerogative” to mask government liability. There are no saints in reality.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

1 Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity 43.5%

2 Islam (Predominately Sunni) 33.9%

3 Protestant Christianity (P’ent’ay or Pente) 18.6%

4 Waaq Worship and Other Indigenous Beliefs 2.6%

5 Roman Catholic Christianity 0.7%

Judaism, Baha’i Faith, and Other Beliefs 0.7%

Deplorable Member Berry
Deplorable Member Berry
6 years ago

“they believe are a religious rite of passage.” Your rights? You don’t get to run around hacking bits an pieces off of little girls. If you believe it’s a right, return to you country of origin.

rickyoo
rickyoo
6 years ago

What many dumb Muslim supporting lefties do not seem to realize is that the equivalent of FGM would be the removal of the top section of a man’s penis. This is what should be done to every Muslim male that supports this barbaric practice and then see if they still think that this practice is humane under their disgusting evil cult.

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  rickyoo

Please read every report more carefully! Muslim MEN do not support this practice! (And it is illegal in every modern Muslim country – because men still RULE them.)
But (exactly like illegal abortions) women will continue to get them – just as they ALWAYS have. FGM is precisely the same. It is the mothers and grandmothers behind it!. No man wants a sexually-unresponsive partner! (Especially after he has experienced one.)
Grrr! It is this insane Puritanical “taboo” against frank discussion of everything “sexual” – that intimidates the exchange of vital details of issues like this. (We have barely ventured past “Victorian Era” attitudes – in that regard. If females believe that it is “wrong” (or some kind of a betrayal of “pride”) to enjoy sex – then why is anybody surprised that females approve of mutilations that make “enjoyment” impossible to their daughters and grand-daughters?
Condemn it to your hearts’ content – but the cycle can not be broken until (like any other physical or social ailment) it is UNDERSTOOD.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Taqiyya.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Not only that it’s painfully obvious taqiyya.

absolut1
absolut1
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

it really bothers all these enemy entities that we the people now,after all these years/centuries understand where they are coming from.the internet has joined us allcomment image

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  absolut1

Very few muslims know anything about islam they are compliant because it is death not to be. That being a fact, it is not necessary for them to know anything, they don’t.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  absolut1

Little has changed in some of these cultures for centuries. Now, because some are coming into our countries, we are having to wake up and notice. W.H.O. has been beavering away, trying to educate them for decades. Who cared until they turned up on our doorsteps ?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

While true that women physically and psychologically perpetuate it (drag the girls in, persuade them it’s expected and normal, and necessary for their future ) one of the most extensive joint surveys,Wallace Global Fund, found that in several countries where it is banned, men knowingly paid for the procedure, while the main reason for the women was that they BELIEVED their menfolk preferred mutilated wives (virginity, chastity, cleanliness, promoted male enjoyment ) and the girls would be rejected if not cut. Imams have been exposed as paying for it to be performed on their “flock” Didn’t PG have an article on that ?Surely if men rule in these countries and are opposed, they should express their opposition more forcefully, enforce the laws stringently. Do they really allow such open flouting of their authority ? Methinks you whitewash the man’s responsibility for this. But times they are achanging. More recently in Eritrea and Sudan, the men were found to be less supportive and more indifferent to FGM. But the main reason is tradition, social acceptance, fear of ostracism, community pressure. Group identity/ ghettoization and opposition from outside may be causing the rise in FGM found in the West. After all, the burka seems more popular here than in Muslim countries for that reason.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Why would anyone be surprised at what happens in the muslum slave state called the Sudan? The Sudanese muslums hosted a genocide that killed cool million of the kafir al najjis in the late 20th century.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

No, I and the author of this report were surprised that the men of Eritrea and Sudan appeared to be more “laid back” about FGM, in the latest surveys, given their fundamentalism / intolerance. Probably why she singled them out.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Romans 1: 28. At least you can read one book. Are others forbidden to you , for fear of exposing you to shock, horror, KNOWLEDGE ?

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

You are lying again, mohammad, your psychopathic female hating and raping prophet approved FMG that is why it is afflicted on so many little girls in islamic countries.
“e4.3 Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad)”

Susan
Susan
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

FMG was condoned by mohammad and this is the result in islamic countries. Percentage of females mutilated by country. 98% Somalia, 96% Guinea, 93% Djibouti, 91% Egypt, 89% Eritrea, 89% Mali, 88% Sierra Leone, 88% Sudan. There are so many more islamic countries that practice this. Why, because mohammad thought females were nothing more than sex objects and possessions. Islam the cult of pieces, literally. Slicing and dicing muslim style. You think by covering the truth of your female hating death cult anyone with a brain would believe your taqiyya. Muslims have no conscience or soul and you have just proved that again. Nowhere in any true religion is this evil practiced. Your deceit is pure evil.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

1) I am an ex R.C. Atheist, totally impartial in my antipathy to religion. This also frees me to learn and evaluate with less prejudice than the average God botherer who obviously has a tribal conflict of interest. (and most cannot see this or admit it ) I am sure you are a very loyal Christian. 2) Religious adherence stunts brain formation and usage (dray horse syndrome, where the beast is blinkered so it sees nothing around it, only the backside of the lead horse, and the ground beneath its hooves and is steered by the drayman.) This is an ongoing discourse in Science. 3) Disagreeable truths are always lies. Main tenet of ALL religions. 4) The first reference to FGM in Islam was in a Hadith, (tales of Mohammad, attributed to his followers, acquaintances, much like Justin Bieber fans ) Dozens of books, only six adopted as official, even them hotly disputed as falsehood by some scholars. FGM has been seen in 2000 B.C.E. Egyptian mummies. Islam began in 613 C.E. 5) It was used to treat “un feminine traits ” , hysteria, aversion to sex, masturbation, nymphomania, and such in Canada, UK, US until the 1950s. 6) (Coptic ) Christians perform FGM in Egypt, as they do in Benin, Burkina Faso. Nigeria, and other countries along with the traditional, non Muslim religions and tribes , and the Beta Israel Jews of Ethiopia, despite it being criminalised. by the (Muslim ) governments This is as near as positive proof the practice is tribal, traditional, familial, due to ignorance and superstition, rather than the bulk of Islam. (Imams can still be found to advocate it, pay for it) Prevalence in Muslim countries, where it is now almost completely criminalized, is due to these countries being the perfect agar plates for the conditions already mentioned. We have the reverse in Catholicism, where the preferred method of birth control, is abstinence or coitus interruptus, and the almost universal practice is everything else available. Acknowledging a fact is the reverse of “taking sides, or attacking one group. Accusing someone of something, while displaying gross signs of such, yourself, is called projection.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

You are a mohammedan troll and therefore everything you say is deception. FGM WAS AND IS ISLAMIC AND ALL THE LYING IN THE WORLD CAN CHANGE THAT FACT. Get lost.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Sad, sad, sick woman. Your hatred has destroyed your reasoning. Seek help. Then type in FGM in Europe, UK, US, Canada, Christian practice of. And real non Muslim experts will confirm what I say. Of course to the Christian as personified by you and Dorrie, truth is like water offered to a dog with hydrophobia (rabies to you ).(google it)

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Mohammedan . Now that is a word that has rarely been used for many, many decades , in old books.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Resting your case on lies makes you look even dumber. What happens if one of you mohammedan trolls tells the truth does your head explode???

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Dorrie, I beg of you, for your own peace of mind, never, ever submit to a brain scan. Radiological units are already so stretched for time and personnel, they really cannot afford to waste time in a fruitless search. Sooner find a yeti in Richmond Park.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan
Susan
Susan
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

You are a mohammedan paid troll and claim to be and ex RC atheist. How many times do you mohammedans think you can get away with that BS. FGM IS A MUSLIM PRACTICE PERIOD. All the taqiyya in the world will not change the truth.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

So your conspiracy theory is that the World Wide Web is all owned and operated by Islam to perpetuate their lies, to white wash their barbaric Satanic reality, and all the archaeologists, and historians, and sociologists paid in dinar, no doubt. Well thank their God, this takes some of the pressure off the Jews– those blamed for total world control by all OTHER conspiracy theory nuts. Wonder how those poor Muslims pathetic enough to convert to Christianity would feel about “”JESUS’ LOVE””, experiencing your heartfelt expressions of loving forgiveness and charity on here ? They would really be encouraged to believe in your version of Christianity, religion of peace and all embracing happiness. Perhaps you can convince them you two are representatives from heaven . Meeting such shining examples of sweetness and light would actually make them feel right at home, if they came from Raqqa (google it ) and had personal experience of ISIS.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Was your mother intimate with a parrot ? You have an extremely limited vocabulary and intellect.

Jo
Jo
6 years ago

I am so disgusted, almost daily any more, and it all revolves around Muslim behavior. I don’t even care about the “peaceful” ones they are meaningless and silent against crimes committed by their religious text

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Jo

No Islamic “religious text” that I have ever seen in 50 years of experience as a student of Islam – even vaguely condones mutilation of female genitalia! I often wish that someone would send me an edition of the “Quran” they quote – to compare with the translation that I use (which is one of the very few translations authorized by “Al-Azhar University in Cairo – which is agreed upon as THE authority on Islam – by EVERY Muslim nation)
Also beware of any mention of “the two books of Islam” (suggesting that “The Hadith” is the second one.) In fact: There are no less than 6 “Hadiths” – varying from entirely respectable – to positively “anti-Islamic”. (Guess which is the one preferred by enemies and detractors of Islam?)
I have at last banished all forms of superstition from my life and consciousness -but I can not ignore deliberate lies and distortions of ANY doctrine -.that has the only purpose of instigating further pointless suffering, tragedy, and bloodshed in the name of a non-existent “god”.
How much longer can our species survive this?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago

Really lying muslum rat? Try publicly denying the veracity of any “authentic” ahadith in any muslum state. I’d suggest you start w/one of these three:

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”‘”
Ishaq:441

In Sahih Muslim: Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Bukhari:V4B52N177
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, “O Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”‘”

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

What does that ancient and obsolete history got to do with the thread topic of Female Genital Mutilation today?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago

OK, he’s veering off thread, so have most of us As a lifelong student of Islam can you answer me this ? How can you dismiss that or any such quote as ancient and obsolete history ? My understanding is that the Quran is immutable and perfect, valid for today as when it was first written ?Unlike the Old testament which is understood to be contextual ?

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

I didn’t say “lifelong” (only a subsequent 50 years of it. I’m 80.)
I “dismiss” EVERY quote as “ancient and obsolete” – which have no practical purpose in the world of today and NO society tolerates.
“Understood to be contextual” is exercised by every follower of every religion. Modern Muslims don’t go around chopping “infidels'” heads off or looking behind every rock or tree for a Jew to kill. (Any any more than Judeo-Christians go around knocking Palestinians senseless with jawbones of asses and cutting their foreskins off. Or hunting giants to kill with sling-shots.)
Since childhood I have been puzzled by how commonly ministers base their sermons on Old Testament scripture – instead of New Testament scripture.
I’m just trying to make some sense out of all this hate-inciting exaggeration.(And try to counter it if at all possible.) (Yes – I sit thru a lot of Christian sermons – because I take a dear handicapped friend to church. It just seems like the “right” thing to do.) Most hilarious is the Easter services – which I saw the gaping holes in by the age of 10.
Have you not noticed the emerging hysteria that the 1% of our population that is Muslim – is somehow going to suddenly impose “sharia law” across the nation? (Gosh ! To the extent that some states are actually enacting laws against it. And Trump is being requested to do so on fb. Try to convince me that it isn’t insane to even entertain the outrageous impossibility of it.)
Same thing prevails in Europe where an equally small minority there is said to be on the verge of making them “Islamic Countries”. Hysterical, defeatest, madness!

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

Are you 80 years old, or is your i.q. 80?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago

You will have to repeat 49 and a half years of your studies, you missed the basics.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

This one I want to bat around for a while, it has the potential to display islam as even stupider than normally seen.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

It always comes as a complete surprise to some.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Someone expresses views which you dislike or differ from your own, so you block him / her ? a) how do you learn anything new ? b) Let’s ditch the 1st. Amendment, its spirit is being flouted. c) Silly me, I thought this was a forum for discussions, not a scritching party. (people dressed in animal costumes, grooming each other, amazing what people do for amusement ! ) d) Isn’t this “safe space “intolerance precisely what we all accuse Muslims, liberals, left wing zombies, Democrats, Electronic Intifada, of ? But OK on here ?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Did you understand what I meant ? Everyone has their opinions. Dull old world if we didn’t. But to shut people down because they don’t agree with you is exactly what our snowflakes do. Do you want to be mistaken for a snowflake ? Simba for instance isn’t even a Muslim, yet you insult her as one. She is actually highly intellligent, wanting to discuss circumcision because that is the subject on here.And no, your preferences are your right,why should I be offended ?But I do hold freedom of speech above most of the ten commandments.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Congratulations. Swahili — lion, most usually male. In our mad gender neuter society, have heard of one female called Simba and many female dogs and cats, too. The poster so named has an empathy and depth found usually ( though not always ) in females, so assumed so.

Susan
Susan
6 years ago

Again with The BS. Christianity is all about love and peace Jesus is our role model and he treated females as his equals and healed the sick and lame and raised the dead and never hurt a soul.
Islam is all about murder and rape look at your false prophet who was a psychopathic rapist and mass murdering warlord and looter. He attacked unarmed peoples and killed the males and raped and sexually enslaved the females. This is the sub human muslims call the perfect man???? Islam is dying and it is truth and love that will kill it. There is a reason that millions of muslims are bailing from your death cult everyday and most are turning to Christianity. Muslims are having dreams and visions and experiencing the miracles and love of Jesus. You can not defeat God the days of allah/satan are numbered.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
6 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Some muslums are peaceful and tolerant until they gain sufficient political power to enforce Shari’a law — in whole or in part — then the civilized mask comes off.

Matamoros
Matamoros
6 years ago

Amazing they allow circumcision, but not for females

L. Wm. Roberts
L. Wm. Roberts
6 years ago
Reply to  Matamoros

Removing the entirety of a little-girl’s clitoris is no-more a ‘circumcision’ than would-be the removal of the entire head of a little-boy’s penis… This anatomically equivalent act is called genital mutilation for a reason!

Mustafa Curtess
Mustafa Curtess
6 years ago
Reply to  Matamoros

But it is not the same THING!

Matamoros
Matamoros
6 years ago

Ah, but it is in the end. Male circumcision is completely unnecessary – and harms the male. Female circumcision, clitorectomies, is also unnecessary and does harm to the female. Both are barbaric practices.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Matamoros

SOME male circumcisions are necessitated by disease, pathology, results of inadequate hygiene (this last, the original reason given in Islam ) Not to be undertaken as lightly as in the past. With knowledge and exchange of data, comes restraint.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Where did I say the infection etc, FOLLOWS the procedure ? I said “NECESSITATED BY ” translation, the disease etc, requires circumcision to treat it. And having worked in one or two of London’s best hospitals, used by wealthy Arabs and other private foreigners, infection is absolutely possible. Ever heard of MRSA ? Can be carried without any symptoms in the carrier. Doctors are the worst offenders, they don’t believe their godlike hands need washing.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

You know every doctor in the US ? Of course the threat of legal action may be a better deterrent, in the US, than in our NHS.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Matthew 7 :3 If you only know the majority of LOCAL doctors in the US, then how can you speak about doctors with whom I have worked in the British Army, Germany, southern England and London, and cities in Scotland. Did I specify which doctors in my comment re. hygiene ? There is a world outside the USA, you know. A rich, vibrant, world full of wonderful new truths to learn and experiences to enjoy, that preceded the USA , by thousands of years. If only your mind were not so shuttered.

Matamoros
Matamoros
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

The ol’ exception argument, hey. So what. Misdirection is not an argument.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Matamoros

You claimed ” male circumcision is COMPLETELY unnecessary. I gave you facts to refute this. Medical science has proved, in some cases, it IS NECESSARY.How is that misdirection ? If medical exceptions are proven , of course they are exceptional to your COMPLETELY unnecessary argument. Or is any deviation from YOUR OPINION false argument ?

Matamoros
Matamoros
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

It is completely unnecessary. We are talking about normal baby boys – not your exceptions which do not disprove the fact.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Matamoros

Nowhere in your comments do you distinguish between male circumcision for religious or medical reasons. Your first comment is “amazingly they allow circumcision but not for females.” The articles’s reference to m.c. was non specific. As m.c. IS a valid treatment your statement was vague and provocative. Be more specific to avoid unnecessary nit picking. All religious ritual is “unnecessary” , once the ancient reasons are past, hygiene, defence, survival , i.m.h.o.

Matamoros
Matamoros
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Obviously you are an SJW. SJWs always lie, and they double down – as you have. Therefore you are not arguing truthfulness, but lies to obscure facts.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Matamoros

Another fundamental Christian like Dorrie and Susan ? Does your head hurt when dealing with complex sentences ?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Matamoros

Don’t believe anyone here, check the W.H.O. data, medical reports, victims’ and activists’ sites. Plenty of choice. Just LEARN.

concerned
concerned
6 years ago

I heard about a ritual , recently found, called deep circumcision,for devout Muslims. It requires the removal of 1/16th of the penis along with the foreskin. It is kept clean , while healing with, hydrogen peroxide,applied three times a day to prevent a scab from forming ? Has anyone heard about it ?

Keith
Keith
6 years ago
Reply to  concerned

No but it sounds very very painful.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  concerned

I’m still looing for it, but came across this. Now I love and defend Judaism, but some Orthodox stuff makes me so glad to be atheist. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304793/Two-babies-stricken-HERPES-ritual-oral-blood-sucking-circumcision-New-York-City.html Heard of David Reimer ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer OK. Who started this subject ? I’m going to have sympathetic nightmares,

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

If you do not believe in the Christian ? version of Hell, how can you fear it ? If you live IN the world, you see clearly what hell on earth man alone can create. It would be so tempting to blame some convenient , extraneous inventions for what we ourselves achieve, either positively or negatively. As a child I learned the most ardent purveyors of religion were also the most insensitive, brutal or downright un- Godly. Little has changed . Hypocrisy is my idea of Satan. WYSIWYG my nearest idea of perfection. I am the person I have to live with, and answer to. If I cannot restrain myself from “bad” actions or thoughts, which affect all around me, how dare I expect them to respect me , or my space ? Boogie men, good fairies, invisible friends who can conveniently carry the can for my naughtiness, I left behind with my milk teeth. Does that help ?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Now that sounds like Hell to me !. I had 19 long years of nuns and their hypocritical mumbo jumbo. Had your comments provided some modicum of respect for other opinions, of understanding of any other than your own narrow beliefs, or even basic comprehension of a statement, I might even say thank you kindly for the thought. But in their absence, praying for me is just another instance of the overweening arrogance of religious bigots. And THAT offends me. No different from Islam’s.Psychologists still argue whether psychosis precedes religious mania or religious mania predisposes to psychosis. Rather like the chicken and egg conundrum. milk teeth =baby teeth.20 in all, start appearing at 6 months, full set about age 2, start falling out around 6 years, to be replaced by adult teeth. ” Where knowledge ends, religion begins.” Benjamin Disraeli. Please get someone to explain my post to you.

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

Dorrie you are a delight ! Your complete lack of imagination, empathy, original thought outside the mantras , even charity (Latin carus– dear, care for , tolerance for others ) while claiming Christian values, only serve to reinforce my own faith in my beliefs. The mantra “God is love” while no doubt reassuring, like a child’s comfort blanket (google it ), has about as much validity as saying ” Michael Jackson was white ” unless it is accompanied by ACTUAL tolerance, admitting that other faiths have rights besides yours, accepting facts instead of perpetuating lies about them. In simple language , just telling yourself and others that you are good, does not make you good. Similar self deception is used in politics. ” We are a democracy, every action of ours is by the people, for the people , so the actions cannot possibly be for the wrong motives.” In family dynamics, how often has “love” been used to cover psychological, physical, sexual abuse — by the victim, as well ?

Erica Ling
Erica Ling
6 years ago
Reply to  Erica Ling

What “used and abused you’ve been “? Don’t imagine an altar boy / priest scenario. Hearing your voices again. The only abuse I experienced was psychological— lies, from God bothering teachers, clerics, or when I print an unwelcome truth, and then from Christians like you, so overwhelmed with God’s love, you have to convert it to hatred of everything alien to your belief. Why is fact so abhorrent to you ? Why should you be so scared, so threatened if your belief is so strong ? You remind me of children ,told so many scary tales, you hide under the covers — of ignorance. What a pathetic way of life. You miss so much of the world, no matter what created it. And it appears your needs are severely limited, so no strain on your god, then.

Bruce Atchison
Bruce Atchison
6 years ago

It truly is vaginal mutilation. And though it isn’t found in the Qu’ran as some clerics say, it’s still barbaric. I hope the miscreants guilty of that horrid crime get the maximum sentence from a judge who hates Islam and all it stands for.

ICH5000
ICH5000
6 years ago

I feel bad for moderate Muslims. I am not giving them a free ride. They have been duped.
It has to be embarrassing to deal with this stuff daily. Imagine also your main man
is a dude with a nasty nasty background. It has to wreak havoc on your sub conscience.

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