UK shopping centre was “just hours away” from a major jihad terrorist homicide bombing

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Another day, another atrocity narrowly averted.

Yet another young man converted to Islam and then decided to attempt mass murder.

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There are also a couple of other familiar features in the way this story is reported.

In addition to there being no mention of Andrew Ibrahim’s mosque, we are told that Ibrahim “spent hours online researching figures such as Osama bin Laden and radical cleric Abu Hamza, as well as the July 7th London suicide bombers and Iraqi insurgents.”

From this, one might get the impression that the Internet “radicalized” him, but, as we know, almost all jihadists were radicalized by a person:

“The internet has not been shown to be an actual instigator of radicalization in 99% of the jihadist biographies. To be sure, the internet acts as an accelerator of the process of radicalization in the sense that it makes necessary information (ie technical information) accessible to those who have decided for jihad. However, the internet alone does not provide the defining moment. An individual does not become an attacker simply because he sits in front of his computer and watches how a bomb is constructed. In almost every case of jihadist attacks, there are detectable contacts to a group and/or a spiritual leader or leading operational figure that were more important than internet use.”

Political Islam: When Faith Turns Out to Be Politics” by Christine Schirrmacher

Who that person may be in this case seems to be a question that was never asked.

Then there is the claim that:

“The importance of the information provided to us by the community, particularly in terrorism-related cases, cannot be understated.”

One might get the false impression that Muslims play a decisive role in terrorism-related cases. The truth is that Muslims are all too often told by groups such as the Hamas-tied Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) not to cooperate with law enforcement; as a result, violent Muslims hide among the peaceful Muslims. This is precisely the problem we face (or refuse to face) as a society.

And so another life is destroyed by a growing, pernicious ideology, and this is reported to us as a feelgood story about Muslims protecting us from the radicals in their midst, and the danger of the Internet.

“Police: Bristol Was ‘Hours Away’ from Islamist Suicide Attack,” by Liam Deacon, Breitbart, March 15, 2017:

A Bristol shopping centre was “just hours away” from a major terrorist suicide bombing, police have revealed.

There was “no doubt about it that an atrocity would have taken place” if police did not intervene and arrested 19-year-old Andrew Ibrahim in 2008, Detective Chief Inspector Matt Iddon said.

In an interview with ITV West Country, the detective explained: “Ibrahim was within a couple of hours of being able to put the suicide note together, to wrap the shrapnel around the explosive and then go to the shopping centre and conduct the attack he had prepared.

“Had it not been for that one call from that member of the Bristol Muslim community, I have no doubt that an atrocity would have taken place.”

Mr. Ibrahim was a convert to radical Islam who was born to a Christian Egyptian father and an English mother.

During his trial in 2009, the prosecution claimed he spent hours online researching figures such as Osama bin Laden and radical cleric Abu Hamza, as well as the July 7th London suicide bombers and Iraqi insurgents.

He was jailed for a minimum of ten years.

Deceive Iddon explained the case shows how the public should alert the police of any suspicious behaviour.

He said: “Without that call from a member of the mosque Ibrahim attended the outcome would most likely have been entirely different.

“Ibrahim intended to carry out explosions which would have led to mass fatalities, so that single phone call undoubtedly saved many lives.”…

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Iftikhar Ahmad
Iftikhar Ahmad
7 years ago

There will never be an end to extremism and terrorism
as long as Muslim children keep on attending state schools with non-Muslim
teachers. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers
during their developmental periods. Muslim children must develop their cultural,
spiritual and linguistic identities before they are exposed to wider world,
otherwise, they would be lost in western jungle. It is a crime against humanity
to send Muslim children to state schools with non-Muslim teachers.

The brothers, aged seven and five and of mixed Indian
and Middle Eastern heritage, were questioned by uniformed officers in March 2016
after the school raised concerns they might be at risk of radicalisation. The
boy’s teacher has insisted she never doubted the weapon was a toy.The school’s
governors found teachers were unsure if they had a duty to report their concerns
under Prevent, the government’s anti-radicalisation strategy, and called
Bedfordshire police. The school cannot be named in order to protect the
children’s identity.After speaking to the boys, police officers quickly
concluded there was no cause for concern and the children were returned to their
mother, from whom they had been kept apart for almost two hours.

The school governors are understood to have found in April that teachers lacked confidence
in the way they dealt with Prevent-related concerns, concluding they had shown
“a degree of racial stereotyping” in the way the strategy had been implemented
in the boys’ case.But after a legal challenge, in which the children’s mother
argued no white child would be referred to police for owning a toy gun, Central
Bedfordshire council has admitted the children were racially discriminated
against and agreed to pay damages. It also admitted breaching their human rights
in the way information about the staff’s suspicions was handled by the school.

Last year a nursery in Luton threatened to refer a four-year-old boy to the Channel
initiative, part of the Prevent scheme, after his mispronunciation of the word
“cucumber” was misheard as “cooker bomb”. And, according to the charity Rights
Watch UK, an eight-year-old boy was questioned by police after he wore a T-shirt
bearing the name of a Muslim prophet, whom staff mistook for a terrorist leader.

These incidents are an eye opening for Muslim parents who would keep on sending their
children to state schools with non-Muslim teachers. It is a crime against
humanity to send Muslim children to non-Muslim schools with non-Muslim teachers.
Only Muslim teachers are in a position to understand the needs and demands of
the their children. British schooling is the home of institutional racism and
native teachers are chicken racists. Muslim parents have no choice because there
are only 188 Muslim schools and only 28 are state funded. I would like to see
each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools with Muslim
teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

I have been engaged in Jihad in the field of education for
the last 47 years so that each and every Muslim child should be in a state
funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their
developmental periods. I would like to see Muslim children developing Cultural,
linguistic and spiritual identities so that they could keep themselves away from
western barbarity of anti-social behaviour, binge drinking, drug addiction, teen
age pregnancies and abortion and lot of other evils but people like you do not
want to see Muslim children in Muslim schools in the name of integration. Now
you have seen the result in the form of sexual grooming of young children which
is a common occurrence in your culture. I set up the first Muslim school in 1981 in London. Now there are 188 Muslim schools and only 28 are state funded. I would like to see
each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim school with Muslim
teachers. I hope one day my dream would come true.

There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced
citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or
extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an
understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them
for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to
Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values.
Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children
need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental
periods, who understand their needs and demands.

Muslim community has adopted all the goodies of British society but at the same time they need Masajid, state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers, halal meat, sharia laws, Time off on every Friday afternoon to attend the Masjid, two official religious holidays per years and Muslim cemeteries.

In education, there should be a choice and at present it is denied to the Muslim community. In the late 80s and early 90s, when I floated the idea of Muslim community schools, I was declared a “school hijacker” by an editorial in the Newham Recorder newspaper in East
London. This clearly shows that the British media does not believe in choice and
diversity in the field of education and has no respect for those who are
different. Muslim schools, in spite of meagre resources, have excelled to a
further extent this year, with couple of schools achieving 100% A-C grades for
five or more GCSEs. They beat well resourced state and independent schools in
Birmingham and Hackney. Muslim schools are doing better because a majority of
the teachers are Muslim. The pupils are not exposed to the pressures of racism,
multiculturalism and bullying.
IA
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago
Reply to  Iftikhar Ahmad

There will never be an end to extremism and terrorism as long as Muslim children keep on attending state schools with non-Muslim teachers.

Utter nonsense. One of the moving expressions of an Arab yearning for peace that I have heard came from a teenage Moslem (I think) girl from Ramallah who attended a Quaker girls school there. This girl, who grew up under Israeli military control, nonetheless recognized the importance of seeing Israelis as human beings, and not the beak-nosed, blood drenched monsters that are so frequently portrayed in the Arab world.

Nonie Darwish attended a Catholic school in Cairo and, in her book Now They Call Me Infidel, said that one thing that impressed her was that her teachers never said anything bad about anyone. This daughter of a shahid not only grew up to become a defender of Israel, but an apostate from Islam.

Madrasses from London to Gaza to Kabul are incubators of hatred and terror.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago

How does the holey quranus depict Jews? Would this be hate speech?

Qur’an 2:61
“Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah’s wrath.”

Qur’an 2:59
“The wicked [Jews] changed and perverted the word We [Allah] had spoken to a word distorted.” Because of their egregious behavior, the Jews “became like apes despised.” [Allah mad Christians into swine].

Qur’an 5:59
“Say: ‘People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?’ Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine.”

Qur’an 2:64
Talking directly to Jews
“But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”

Qur’an 59:14
“The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell.”

Qur’an 4:55
“Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!”

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Another of your banal non-sequitors that reveals a distinctly limited mind.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

Perhaps consider a vitamin supplement as your comments are getting more vacuous every day.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Notice you didn’t respond to my main comment- you simply responded to the response-to-response. Gad, you are a snot ball.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

Vuck, you are an idiot.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Vuck, you are an idiot.

Once more, an unsubstantiated, crude calumny from Mahou Shoujo.

The anti-jihad movement would be more effective without the likes of her.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

When your owner waters you. get them to turn your pot so you get some light on your leaves. Thought I do applaud you for figuring out what I meant when I described ewe.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago

But Mahmoud, you mentioned madrasas are incubators of terror and hate. Doesn’t rabid islamic antisemitism count as hate?

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

But Mahmoud, you mentioned madrasas are incubators of terror and hate. Doesn’t rabid islamic antisemitism count as hate?

I generally do not answer questions from people whose goal is to insult me. You show every evidence of not understanding any of my comments, which provides further evidence of the low level of your intellect. Accordingly, I would consider it a waste of time to answer questions from fopdoodles like Mahou Shoujo and yourself. Cheers.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

Of course you consider it to be a waste of time, your inability to think of anything intelligent to reply with, results in you puffing yourself up with flatulent indignation and arrogant presumptuousness.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

your inability to think of anything intelligent to reply with

Yet another example in your long history of baseless, idiotic accusations.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

How observant, you will notice that they are all in reference to comments like your spew.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago

Yes, it’s my fault I don’t understand or appreciate your islamic apologia. Go stuff your self.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago

Ibrahim was a convert to radical Islam who was born to a Christian Egyptian father and an English mother.

Those who cherish life and liberty need to gain some insight into what might cause a person with such a background to become a murderous Moslem. He had to be attracted to the murderous, supremacist, slave-driving, pedophile ideology known as Islam in order for “radicals” at the mosque to gain an influence on him in the first place. “Mental illness” assuredly played a role- according to DSM V, the latest bible of the American psychology/psychiatry, virtually everyone exhibits symptoms of mental illness of some sort or another. Most of us don’t garden variety nutcases don’t go around slaughtering as many infidels as a we can, and enslaving and/or raping the rest. Something very special about mental illness among Moslems. I would consider a lack of cultural moorings in the first place to be a greater factor.

The ideological battle is at least as important as the military one. Many who comment here, given their penchant for crude character assassination and mindless disparagement of Moslems quite lose sight of that fact and, indeed, serve to undermine the crucial ideological battle against Islam.

DP Serafine
DP Serafine
7 years ago

You better get your face out of those books and witness a little reality…you think all that blather actually means…or worse yet explains anything?….you go deal with that “lack of cultural moorings”….I’ll keep demanding that we don’t allow this ideology into our country…that way there are no cultural moorings…present or otherwise to contend with. You’ve bamboozled yourself into believing that an understanding of this theocratic cult is the answer to solving their problems…newsflash poindexter…they think you’ve got the problem…and they’ll prove it to you if you try and change their thinking with that Freudian bullsh*t. Good luck with your psychological enlightenment….I have the distinct feeling we’re gonna see a picture of you one day in one of these articles….missing your damn head!

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago
Reply to  DP Serafine

You come off as an unhinged idiot who is unable to compose a coherent argument.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago

Go to your safe space and huff some car exhaust fumes.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

Whereas you merely come across as an idiot.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago

“mindless disparagement of Moslems” — tell it to the millions of people being enslaved by muslums in Mauritania, the Sudan and the Islamic State et. al.

Liatris Spicata
Liatris Spicata
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

There are indeed insightful criticisms to be made of Islam. Then there are the kinds of bloviation in which you and Mahou so frequently engage.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

Your mindless comments on this are that of a not particularly bright to begin with brain dead apologist for islam.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago

Your ludicrous comment could just as easily be applied to nazis supercilious scumbag.

AlgorithmicAnalystD
AlgorithmicAnalyst
7 years ago

More reason to keep mosques under surveillance.

Zippy
Zippy
7 years ago

No, all the more reason to shut down any place and any person preaching the Islamic ideology of violent jihad against the disbelievers until they declare that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.

A Bristolian
A Bristolian
7 years ago

According to reports at the time, Andrew (Isa) Ibrahim smoked cannabis from the age of 12, experimented with ecstasy, magic mushrooms, ketamine, cocaine and heroin. He worshipped at Al-Baseera mosque in the BS2 area of Bristol. I’ve lived in that area and I am in no hurry to move back. Isa Ibrahim is pro-Palestine/anti-Israel just like most politicians and community leaders in Bristol. Drugs and Islam, a deadly combination.

He was sent down for “a minimum of ten years”. It should have been more.

Michael Copeland
Michael Copeland
7 years ago
Reply to  A Bristolian

Press reports always say so-and-so “worshipped” at the mosque, as if that is all that happens there, promoting the mistaken assumption that it is just like a church. They fail to say “attended incitement talks….. heard jihadism praised … was instructed to bear “animosity and hatred forever” towards all non-muslims (Koran 60:4)” and so on.

A Bristolian
A Bristolian
7 years ago

‘(Press reports) fail to say “attended incitement talks….. heard jihadism praised … was instructed to bear “animosity and hatred forever” towards all non-muslims (Koran 60:4)”‘
Yes, indeed. Try telling that to the Bristol Post’s editor or the Post’s former columnist Farooq Siddique who became a senior government adviser on tackling radicalisation and extremism.

B17G
B17G
7 years ago
Reply to  A Bristolian

I think most of those Euro-jihadi young men are involved with drug use. I think the attitude among them is that although it is sinful they can atone at the mosque later or at anytime in the future. There’s always a population of these guys simmering all over the place. And every once in awhile someone gets a really big hard on for Allah and the cause and goes rogue. And I bet teh Euro intelligence agencies have a pretty good idea of the main cast of characters.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  B17G

To be kill and be killed in the way of jihad wipes away all a muslum’s sins.

B17G
B17G
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Even easier for them – talk about a primitive behavior reward system. Its like a child made it all up.

Dave Mc
Dave Mc
7 years ago

The police aren’t specific about where the call came from regarding the pending attack, which of course prevents other muslims from punishing the caller. If that caller should read this I want that person to know they have my respect and gratitude for doing the right and humane thing, and preventing a terrible act.

Zippy
Zippy
7 years ago
Reply to  Dave Mc

Unless he was just being smart to buy more time for Islam to fester, grow, and marshall its forces against the infidel.. an overly enthusiastic jihadist going live prematurely risks triggering our society’ immune response against Islam before they have the numbers to overwhelm us.

Gary Aw
Gary Aw
7 years ago

Pity he didn’t just blow himself up.

caliroxanne
caliroxanne
7 years ago

I’m glad this attack was prevented. If it had been successful, all we would be hearing nonstop is how Islam is a religion of peace and how Islamophobia is the worst thing on the planet. It is incredible that whenever Muslims kill us infidels, they manage to get us to fight, even more aggressively than we already do, Islamophobia, the world’s biggest problem. Perhaps, like after Charlie Hebdo in Paris, they could even fly Mahmoud Abbas in and parade him around. Yes, we really are that stupid!

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

Who is the censor that represses freedom of speech here by moderating iftikhar ahmed’s comments? What the fvck? This forum is for discussion, not an example of censorship. If I want to see censorship and ignorance in the electronic media, I will go to face book,
Now iftikhar, as usual you are full of islamic feces. All your bragging about how great madrassa’s are and why clever students they make, does not stand up. There are no industrial islamic countries, the few that have money have it because they have resources that non muslims develop and buy. There are no muslim countries that can even feed themselves. Your children are brought up with ignorance and hatred ingrained in everything they do, which is nothing but be candidates for welfare from non muslims. Point to a muslim nation that other muslims would go to as refugees or colonists. Muslim students are not the victims of bigotry and racism, they are the practitioners of racism and bigotry. Read you qur’an and if you have a functioning brain cell, understand it, understand that islam will die by its own hand.
Sahih Bukhari (60:80) – “The Verse:–‘You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.’ means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.”
That bit if ignorant muslim arrogance is part of your downfall, many rejoice at the deaths of muslims, as they know you are not going to heaven and getting 72 vermin, you are going the very hell your profit mutgonad, police beat upon you, prophesied, “There will be no one of you who will not enter it (Hell).
This was an inevitable decree of your Lord.
Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire.
— Sura 19:71-72

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

This story has all the makings of propaganda fiction mystery and imagination, slow news day muslims have not been attracting attention, time to exploit the lull before the next storm with a nice tale of news fiction to keep the readers attention.

santashandler
santashandler
7 years ago

Sorry for the cynicism folks but, this said the ‘call’ came from the Muslim community. Could it be that it was designed that way for them to say ‘hey, you see we are not so bad after all. We saved YOU.’ Is it possible?

Greta Poole
Greta Poole
7 years ago

Maggot.

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