“9/11 cost us $3.3 trillion, over 10,000 dead, a national loss of privacy and traumas inflicted on millions. What could any number of moderate Muslims possibly contribute to outweigh all that?”

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The sums up the absurd and irrational leftist argument about Islam brilliantly. Every elected official and leftist lapdog in the media ought to to be required to memorize it.

But they won’t even read it.

“Only Islam Can Save Us From Islam,” by Daniel Greenfield, May 22, 2016:

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In the Washington Post, Petraeus complained about the “inflammatory political discourse that has become far too common both at home and abroad against Muslims and Islam”. The former general warned that restricting Muslim immigration would “undermine our ability to defeat Islamist extremists by alienating and undermining the allies whose help we most need to win this fight: namely, Muslims.”

At Rutgers, Obama claimed that restricting Muslim immigration “would alienate the very communities at home and abroad who are our most important partners in the fight against violent extremism.”

If we alienate Muslims, who is going to help us fight Muslim terrorism?

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You can see why Obama doesn’t mention Islamic terrorism in any way, shape or form. Once you drop the “I” word, then the argument is that you need Islam to fight Islam. And Muslims to fight Muslims.

This is bad enough in the Muslim world where we are told that we have to ally with the “moderate” Muslim governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to fight the Muslim terrorists whom they sponsor.

Petraeus has troublingly close ties to the Saudis. He defended their oil dumping program, praised the role of Islamic law in fighting Islamic terrorism and endorsed their Syria plans. While defending the Saudis as allies, he blamed Israel for America’s problems with the Muslim world. The narrative he was using there was the traditional Saudi one in which Israel, not Islam, is the source of the friction.

He defended Pakistan as an ally and claimed to believe the Pakistani excuses that they did not know Osama bin Laden was living right in their military center and that they really wanted to fight the Taliban.

Obama’s “partners” against “violent extremism” have included Muslim Brotherhood terror supporters at home and abroad. He backed Al Qaeda’s LIFG in Libya, Iran’s Shiite terror militias in Iraq, Al Qaeda allies in Syria and those are just a few of the worst examples of his partners against extremism.

Petraeus and Obama view terrorists and state sponsors of terror as important allies. Their policies have led to multiple terrorist attacks against Americans. And they still insist that we need Islamic terrorists as allies to protect us from Islamic terrorists. We need moderate theocrats to protect us from extremist theocrats. We need the Saudis and Pakistanis to save us from the terrorists whom they arm and fund.

But it’s Muslim immigration where their argument really shines.

The United States faces a terror threat because a certain percentage of the Muslim population will kill Americans. Every increase in the Muslim population also increases the number of potential terrorists. Muslim immigration increases the terrorism risk to Americans every single year.

These are undeniable facts.

When you’re in a hole, stop digging. Muslim populations are a hole. Immigration is the shovel. Dig deep enough and you’re six feet under.

Even if the mainstream narrative about a moderate majority and extremist minority were true, how could the cost of Islamic terrorism justify the expansion of even moderate Muslim communities?

9/11 cost us $3.3 trillion, over 10,000 dead, a national loss of privacy and traumas inflicted on millions. What could any number of moderate Muslims possibly contribute to outweigh all that? If it were a debt, it would take a thousand years to even begin balancing out those scales. And instead of trying to make amends, Muslim groups like CAIR and ISNA have waged a relentless campaign to undermine national security and defame Americans. They have refused to cooperate with law enforcement, defended terrorists and denounced America. These are our “moderate” partners.

But the Obama/Petraeus narrative about needing partners in Muslim communities in America implicitly concedes that Muslim communities at home, like the Saudis and Pakistanis abroad, create environments in which Islamic terrorists can safely operate. They admit the existence of Islamic no-go zones where the FBI and local law enforcement are ineffective so that we have to treat parts of Michigan or New Jersey like Pakistan or Iraq, trying to work with untrustworthy allies to gain intelligence on enemy territory.

We have to work with CAIR or ISNA, the way we do with the Saudis or Pakistanis, even though they’re untrustworthy, because they’re all we have in parts of America that have become enemy territory.

This argument is terrible enough in the Middle East. But it’s horrifying in the Midwest.

It’s bad enough that we sign off on “partners” who finance terrorists and then pretend to fight them in Syria or Afghanistan, do we really want to be doing this in Illinois or California?

The real problem, as Obama and Petraeus indirectly concede, is that Muslim communities create an ideal environment for Muslim terrorists. The last thing that we should be doing is building them up.

Even if Muslim communities were an asset, the Obama/Petraeus narrative is that they benefit us by helping us deal with the problems that they cause. The obvious question would be to wonder why we need them in the first place to help us cope with a problem that wouldn’t exist without them.

Obama insists that we need Muslim immigration so that Muslims will help us fight Muslim terror. But if we didn’t have Muslim immigration, we wouldn’t need Muslims to help us fight Muslim terrorism.

Muslim immigration isn’t a solution. It’s a problem posing as a solution. And we are told that we need to make the problem bigger in order to solve it. Muslim immigration has yet to reduce terrorism in any country. The increase in Muslim populations has not made Europe any safer. On the contrary, it has increased the risk of terrorism. The same is also true in Africa, Asia and across the Middle East.

The plan to reduce the risk of terrorism by increasing the Muslim population has failed around the world. Nor has it ever worked in the United States. What are the odds that it suddenly will now?

Building a counterterrorism strategy around creating more terrorism is not a strategy, it’s a suicide mission. Using Muslim immigration to fix a terrorism problem caused by Muslim immigration is like drilling a hole in a boat and then trying to plug it with water. Europe is sinking and if we don’t stop importing hundreds of thousands of Muslims, we’ll be facing the same problems that Europe does.

“It is precisely because the danger of Islamist extremism is so great that politicians here and abroad who toy with anti-Muslim bigotry must consider the effects of their rhetoric,” Petraeus insists.

It’s a compelling argument, but not in the way that he thinks it is. If Muslims can’t handle the full spectrum of argument, debate and namecalling that is a part of life in a free country without turning homicidal, then something has to go. According to Petraeus, it’s freedom of speech. According to others, it’s Muslim migration. Americans will have to decide whether they would rather have freedom of speech or Muslim immigration. Because even the advocates for Muslim migration are increasingly willing to admit that we can’t have both. The choice is ours.

Either we can hope that Islam will save us from Islam. And that Muslims will protect us from other Muslims. Or we can try to protect ourselves and save our lives and our freedoms from Islam.

 
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Thomas Faddis
Thomas Faddis
7 years ago

Stupid as it sounds, maybe researchers should be trying to develop a fast acting, small-cell cancer that attacks other cancer cells?

Thomas Faddis
Thomas Faddis
7 years ago
Reply to  Thomas Faddis

Maaaybe, I was just pointing to the counterintuitive ‘logic’ this article was panning! (Sometimes ridiculous crap Does lead to new solutions!)

The truth hurts
The truth hurts
7 years ago

Even after their city was attacked by Muztards, the idiotic, slimy, majority of NYC voters will probably vote for DemonRATs who want to allow more Muztards into the USA. Ditto the rest of the United States voters. We’re as stupid as the pink sheep Europeans.
So much for United We Stand and Never Forget.
The future survival of this nation is in VERY grave danger.

Wayne Ville
Wayne Ville
7 years ago

I agree, and in fact a thousand of our rabbis are in favor of bringing in more of these muslim extremists and have signed a letter. http://www.hias.org/1000-rabbis-sign-letter-support-welcoming-refugees?gclid=CO-Orsmq8MwCFYiVfgodUn4IPg

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Ville

That’s sick, but perhaps you should also point out how many Catholic priests, pastors, reverends signed on to bring in more muslim “refugees” as well.

RetiredNavyphotog
RetiredNavyphotog
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Catholic Charities is on the forefront of bringing these savages into the US – it is a real money maker for them – they receive tons of money from the feds for doing it – and we have a pope who is a dope.
Wasn’t the pedophile priests enough?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago

The CC eventually cooperated w/authorities in bringing the priests to justice. They also came to cash settlements w/some of the victims. In the islamic world meanwhile, butt raping little boys is all very legal in the muslum states of Afghanistan, Pigistan, and Iranistan and is commonplace.

Wayne Ville
Wayne Ville
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

If I had the reference where they signed a document I would include it.

VLParker
VLParker
7 years ago

We need muslims to protect us from muslim terrorism? Even on my dumbest day in the first grade I wasn’t that stupid.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago
Reply to  VLParker

We need fewer muslims therefore lesser need to import more of a hostile alien species to deal with a hostile invasive one. How incredibly stupid can the democrat administration get? How stupid do they think the average American is? Since hussain got elected twice, I have answered my own question.

Janet
Janet
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Don’t look at me! I never voted for Obama! Lol! We are screwed because the democrats get most of the Hispanic and Black voters! Let me add Muslim voters too! They don’t see at all what these idiots are doing to this country! What they do see is the freebies! I thought Obama was a con from the very beginning. I could see what a liar he was!

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago
Reply to  Janet

There will be a social and financial accounting of hussain’s presidency. There is no way the next administration will be able to borrow its way out of the debits it will have to pay.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  VLParker

I always thought the answer to cockroach infestation was more cockroaches, after all, who knows the habits of cockroaches better than fellow cockroaches?

RetiredNavyphotog
RetiredNavyphotog
7 years ago
Reply to  VLParker

Kind of like altar boys in the Catholic church needing registered sex offenders to protect them from pedophile priests.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

America is governed by fools, who are supported by other fools, elected by the stupid. islam is taking advantage of this, they are proving the economics of welfare colonization, in europe, with the plan to do the same in America. democrats are enabling this.

Robert Bayer
Robert Bayer
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

I would make a small alteration but agree in general .. “fools and cr00ks” and “stupid and indoctrinated”

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago
Reply to  Robert Bayer

Motion carried. All in favour.

Robert Bayer
Robert Bayer
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Democracy in action! Very anti-Islamic!

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago
Reply to  Robert Bayer

Thank you, being recognized as un islamic is treasure stored n heaven.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

Seconded.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Carried.

Dean
Dean
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

American values were sustained by culture and not by politicians and the courts. The take over of the primed and ready public schools by the progressives along with massive importation of the dispossessed of 3rd world countries and the culture has been effectively undermined and is almost gone. 100 years ago most people did not trust the government and politicians but now we suffer the opposite attitude. Obviously we can now see the protection was in the culture and not the Constitution, which is being distorted just by redefining the meaning.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago
Reply to  Dean

The problems have to be fixed, it is time for those opposed to progressive political correctness to assertively and physically oppose it.

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahou Shoujo

The vocal radical minority have managed to get allied with the lame stream media. The population consisting of drones and sports fans, are unaware of the actual events that are shaping their lives. Decent people of the world need a better press agent.

Robert Bayer
Robert Bayer
7 years ago

Great points made by the author …. Islam and western civilization are the antithesis of one another … The choice is between barbarism and civilization / human rights ..

Leftists choose barbarism in order to destroy civilization / human rights in the insane and evil wish to install tolitarian fascism.

Those who would live free, prosperous, and safely, would do well to unite in order to destroy Islamicism and Leftism.

live free or die
live free or die
7 years ago
Reply to  Robert Bayer

At what point do we pick up our guns en masse and point them at the government? If Hildabeast is elected and confiscates our “assault weapons”, which she says she wants to do, will We The People turn them in, or will we teach the government who runs the show?

Dean
Dean
7 years ago

Ca has already started a progressive program intending to classify one group of weapons after another as assault weapons, which has been mistakenly exempted form 2nd Amendment protection, and the other leftists states are watching and planning to copy it. Hillary will try to do the same things with Ex.orders expecting a compliant SC and inept congressional opposition.

Dean
Dean
7 years ago
Reply to  Dean

This is all intuitively Machiavellian and revealing psychologically. He advised his Prince to disarm unfriendly populations and why in America do they expect us to be unfriendly. They know what else they intend for us and are sure of resistance.

Dean
Dean
7 years ago
Reply to  Dean

good input but we need a return to the republic and a demand to end all the routes that democracy uses to interfere with individual rights. None of this is about crime. Statistically is you remove the gun violence records of the 12 most violent cities that have been under Dem control and social engineering for decades from the numbers, the rest of the country is about 200 our of 218 nations in gun violence, in other words the safest place on earth to live. All of those cities are basically without gun rights under the most restricted gun laws in the nation and miles of red tape to get a “permit” if you want to own one legally. The most gun happy and gun free zones lead that safety record.

Dean
Dean
7 years ago
Reply to  Dean

The environmental movement and the Interior Dept. is the advance guard for losing property rights in the US. The underlying religion is that the govt. is protecting mother earth from appropriation by evil humans so the end is that nothing is extracted except by special interest, just great for the insider crony-capitalist. How much are the foreign interests paying for these powers in Aust. The leftist don’t recognize property rights, just rental fees.
ON guns, the lie about guns having anything to do with crime and gun deaths is shown by Plano, Tex. Usually at the top of the safe list where every house is an armory in a state that has concealed carry. It is OK that some people don’t feel comfortable with guns but they need to know that criminals are not venturing into their neighborhoods because their neighbors are armed and the thugs don’t know which house, making everybody safe.

volksnut
volksnut
7 years ago

As is true everywhere – thruout history – ONLY law abiding people ABIDE BY LAWS –

Blow their asses off
Blow their asses off
7 years ago

How many guns would the gubmint be willing to confiscate if at each home, one “gun confiscator” was killed? There are about 125 million homes. Would they be willing to sacrifice 125 million “gun confiscators”? What if only 1 in 100 homes resulted in a dead “gun confiscator” – would over 1,000,000 dead “gun confiscators” be acceptable to the gubmint?
They can only take them if we let them take them. To date, we have never stood up to them in masse when they banned assault weapons, large cap mags, etc, but this time it may be different.

Blow their asses off
Blow their asses off
7 years ago

But only 30%-40% of homes have a gun, so the casualties would be smaller: say 40,000,000 and 400,000 “gun confiscators”. Of course they would kill all citizens who killed a “gun confiscator”. But at some point the gun confiscators will give up.
But there is no need to let them go door to door. The armed citizens of the US could eliminate all cops, military, UN troops, etc in about 2 hours IF we decided that’s what we wanted to do – we vastly outnumber them – but it would not be pretty.

Blow their asses off
Blow their asses off
7 years ago

We already have a gun register. Within minutes of finding a gun used in a crime they announce the ownership history of the firearm used. They claim they don’t have a registry, but their actions prove otherwise.

Dean
Dean
7 years ago
Reply to  Robert Bayer

You can add the left/progressives as an anti-thesis with traditional American culture and values, which is why they are working so hard to change it even by importing the change and why they are comfortable with their Muslim allies. Group identity politics and “rights” and multiculturalism is being used to twist the Constitution so as to actually undermine individual rights.

Robert Bayer
Robert Bayer
7 years ago
Reply to  Dean

Yup !!! Fight them too! We have to or we all die ..

richard
richard
7 years ago

“If we alienate Muslims, who is going to help us fight Muslim terrorism?”

This is very similar to when FDR famously asked during the height of World War II: “If we alienate Germans, who is going to help us fight the Nazis?”

oh wait a second. FDR never said that.

judygold
judygold
7 years ago

ALL muslims must be exported,
maybe to Alaska? now, who could call that racism,

Dean
Dean
7 years ago
Reply to  judygold

What do you have against Alaska? Do you mean the north pole, but any desert will do outside the territory We could offer then the same alternative as they offer, convert to Christianity or die.

Drew the Infidel
Drew the Infidel
7 years ago

What can muslime immigrants add? You know what that white stuff is on top of chicken sh*t? Just more chicken sh*t.

I’m still waiting for Petraeus’ revealing piece on keys to a successful marriage and Obhammud’s eye opener on diplomacy and foreign policy.

BoWhetstone
BoWhetstone
7 years ago

z.Obama and Clinton want you defenseless- and will take all registered firearms-
Obama says it will take 20 years before the firearms are taken from criminals-
but Obama is willing to let the law abiding citizens be vamped for 20 years
to see it done. that means you and your children will be victims big time for
2 decades–if Obama is correct–but the 18th amendment did not rid America of
alcohol did it? people get what people want -legal or illegal- if it is illegal-
china and mexico will make billions in the black market of guns–
meanwhile working class americans will die by the tens of thousands
at the hands of the free for all criminals and hoards of
looting murderous BLM obamaphone people.
nationwide- everyone needs protection that can be quickly administered-
and it must be lethal. if you do not want the hassle of registering a firearm
there is another way to have power in your pocket-
the law allows for the direct purchase of a cap and ball black powder revolver-
no registering it- unregulated-(for now anyway) and the purchase of what is called
a conversion cylinder– take out the original cylinder that is cap and ball-
and replace it with a conversion cylinder to accept modern ammunition-
when the conversion cylinder is put into the revolver it technically becomes
a firearm- but when it is taken out of the revolver the revolver reverts to a
non regulated non-firearm.z

got243kids
got243kids
7 years ago

The United States has been under leftist attack since the 1930’s. Cornell, Yale, Columbia and all the other ‘ivy’ league cesspools were targeted for infiltration and have become breading grounds for serious indoctrination into leftist ideology. (Why is ex- DHS head Janet Nepolitano the head of the California university system? What credentials did she possess for that job?) Those graduates are now in power. (It’s why Barbarian Obama’s records are sealed). We have an enemy in our midst and that my friends is the reason everything has been turned up-side-down. We are in for one hell of a fight. The ignorant gave them power and now they’re bringing in their designated closing pitchers (Islam). God help us all.

JFK said: “I’ll put a man on the moon.

Barbarian Obama: “I’ll put a man in the women’s bathroom”

Absolutely one demented SOB.

Ektor
Ektor
7 years ago

We are going to use good Muslims to fight bad Muslims? That is why we have to keep importing potential terrorists? This is total liberal nonsense. Once the radical Islamic terrorists gain a stronger foothold in this country, or any other, the tame Muslims will be forced by religious doctrine to join their terrorist brothers. That might be the plan all along. Since Islam is a religion based on destruction and murder of those who do not succumb to its 1500 year old dictates, it cannot be trusted. Any religion that sanctions the murder of non-believers to forward its beliefs is not a true religion. Obama and the stupid liberals are creating a situation that will lead to America becoming another wimpy Europe.

David Miller
David Miller
7 years ago
Reply to  Ektor

Why not? Let them blow each other up, in fact, why not blow up the entire Middle-East section of the world. Who would miss it?

Truth Seeker
Truth Seeker
7 years ago

He was Well Aware, he and his teachings have lot of Lacunae and any one will point out them and if allowed Islam will collapse within No Time.Thereby he gave the Fatwa anyone finds Flaw with him and/or his teachings must be butchered for which the reward is Jannah (Islam’s Paradise). This Myth is Engraved in the Mind of Every Muslim at childhood itself, so that it can’t be erased in future.
Is there any Evidence? No. Asking Evidence itself will be at the cost of his/her life.
Thus Many Innocents were/are/will be massacred by the Devotees, for the Myth of Jannah. That is the Fate!!!!
Really this is the Outstanding Contribution of Islam to the World.

Metatrona
Metatrona
7 years ago

If you refuse to have inflammatory discourse about Islamic rapists, pedophiles, and murderers, you give Muslims permission to keep being rapists, pedophiles, and murderers. How come the so-called moderate Muslims keep saying not all of us are LIKE THAT…but they DO NOTHING to cleanse the world of the terrorist bastards. They also give permission to the bastards to keep doing the disgusting things they are doing. Muslims are filled with bullshit. You CANNOT believe anything they say.

inflammatory political discourse

karl59
karl59
7 years ago

ISNA and CAIR are supporters of Islamic terrorists!!!!!!!

David Miller
David Miller
7 years ago

Warm bodies to use in another war without drawing on the average citizen at first?

David Miller
David Miller
7 years ago

That leads into dangerous lines of reasoning like: NO IRISH = NO IRISH TERRORISM.

Mindy Robinson
Mindy Robinson
7 years ago

islam is the problem, the muslims are those who have been deluded by it and they are who hell uses to carry out it’s evil. evil spreads where ever islam is, 1400 years of islamic treachery carried out by muslims. islam must be and will be deported from every free nation that wants to remain free, assuming the natives of the nations being invaded accept the truth before it’s too late.

RetiredNavyphotog
RetiredNavyphotog
7 years ago

Petraeus is a moron…the man cheated on his wife…gave classified information to his girlfriend…couldn’t even figure out that e-mail was not safe while head of the CIA…

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